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Butch said:
Big 12 expansion looks to be a near certainty

"The leaders in the clubhouse for Big 12 expansion remain BYU, Cincinnati and Connecticut. The next tier includes South Florida, Central Florida, Memphis, Colorado State, Houston, Boise State and Tulane."

We're set. Big 12, ACC, Big Ten, whatever.
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After everything that's happened over the years, this is an absurd mindset to have.
 
UConnDan97 said:
It's been a while since you've had a "glass 1/4 full" post from me during these Husky dog days of summer, but here comes the latest installment from the board optimist:

I have UConn going to the Big 12 at a 90% likelihood right now. I would say 100%, but then we would be doooomed. The reason I say that is due to what almost certainly motivated the Big12 to vote for expansion in the first place; TV. The ACC network gets done, and immediately, the Big12 is ready to roll.

Well folks, that is GREAT news for our beloved University of Connecticut. The Big12 knows that there are two properties out there that are essential to driving their TV set demands; UConn and BYU. Everyone else is a far cry away. See you at the prom, Mr. Bowlsby... :cool:
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In other news, UConnDan97 cleaned his apartment, made a candlelight dinner and bought the finest wine. About to close the deal when she disclosed that she had a headache. And genital herpes.
 
wethyhusky said:
Click my heels three times and I get to go to a basketball game in Kansas? There's no place like home ...there's no place like home ...
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Best arena you'll ever see a game in.
 
So I had Sirius Channel 91 on the radio on my way to work at 8 A.M. Taylor Z.'s opinion on Big-12 expansion: He wants Houston & Memphis added & if they to to 4 additions also add Colorado State & BYU. He was adamant. Rule #1-the pundits have spoken.
 
Boren said, "... strength of their athletic department, fan base, media market, reputation, integrity and academic standing..." I think that bodes very well for UConn and it's because those very factors also strike me as the most logical criteria that I've been reading and contributing to this forum over the past few months.

I'm just a Texas fan in Austin interested in what's best for the Horns. I don't have any emotional connection to UConn or Connecticut or even the northeast.

But I believe a sustainable Big 12 with a happy, committed Texas and OU is in Texas' best interest. I have believed all along that a 12 member, two division, CCG conference format would be best for the Big 12. And when I look at candidates, UConn has always struck me as best.

Media members seem to love BYU but I'll admit I have an animosity towards church schools. SMU killed the SWC and Baylor sullied the Big 12. Maybe BYU is a good church school and my prejudice is unfair. If WVU wasn't in the Big 12 maybe I'd be more open to entertaining the idea. But with the Big 12 having a stake in the ground in Morgantown, Provo just seems to spread the geographic footprint too far. I just can't see BYU being a better fit than UConn.

Others say Cincy is ready and Houston is splashy but when I look at the facebook map of college football fans (I love those things) those schools don't even have enough fans to carry their own cities.

I think the phrase "academic standing" eliminates Memphis. And don't they have a history of NCAA violations?

I know you're all probably pretty fed up with the entire process and the last thing you want is somebody like me blowing smoke up your ass. And I've seen geographic concerns expressed by some on this forum.

But it's not like this is 1925 and it's not like you're in Tokyo. Everybody travels nowadays and it's no big deal. It probably wouldn't take much longer to get to Storrs than it takes to fly to Pittsburgh and drive to Morgantown.

Besides, you're the ones who will have to bear the brunt of the travel burden. Everybody else in the conference will just have to come to UConn once or twice per sporting season. You're the ones who will spending half your time in the midwest/southwest.

I definitely think UConn would make the best addition to the Big 12, especially if the six qualifications Boren cited really are the factors considered.
 
My prediction:

UConn and Cincinnati in all sports. BYU and CSU for football only.

From the Ubben article:
Multiple Big 12 sources indicated that Cincinnati and Connecticut top the Big 12's "fluid," so-called "wish list," but Oklahoma president David Boren noted that the Big 12 is still open to expanding by two or four teams. News could come quick, too. Bowlsby told ESPN that the league could conceivably vote on specific expansion candidates as soon as September.

As for BYU? It can take heart in Bowlsby also telling CBS that the league is open to "football-only" members. That would eliminate one big negative for BYU's inclusion into the league: a policy of not playing on Sundays that could have a big impact on several Big 12 sports and postseason championship schedules.​
 
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HuskyHawk said:
My prediction:

UConn and Cincinnati in all sports. BYU and CSU for football only.
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How about the wacky notion that they pass on CSU at this time because maybe Colorado (and Arizona State) could be available in the future if the PAC 12 continues to struggle with its own tv deal.
 
Charley Horse said:
Boren said, "... strength of their athletic department, fan base, media market, reputation, integrity and academic standing..." I think that bodes very well for UConn and it's because those very factors also strike me as the most logical criteria that I've been reading and contributing to this forum over the past few months.

I'm just a Texas fan in Austin interested in what's best for the Horns. I don't have any emotional connection to UConn or Connecticut or even the northeast.

But I believe a sustainable Big 12 with a happy, committed Texas and OU is in Texas' best interest. I have believed all along that a 12 member, two division, CCG conference format would be best for the Big 12. And when I look at candidates, UConn has always struck me as best.

Media members seem to love BYU but I'll admit I have an animosity towards church schools. SMU killed the SWC and Baylor sullied the Big 12. Maybe BYU is a good church school and my prejudice is unfair. If WVU wasn't in the Big 12 maybe I'd be more open to entertaining the idea. But with the Big 12 having a stake in the ground in Morgantown, Provo just seems to spread the geographic footprint too far. I just can't see BYU being a better fit than UConn.

Others say Cincy is ready and Houston is splashy but when I look at the facebook map of college football fans (I love those things) those schools don't even have enough fans to carry their own cities.

I think the phrase "academic standing" eliminates Memphis. And don't they have a history of NCAA violations?

I know you're all probably pretty fed up with the entire process and the last thing you want is somebody like me blowing smoke up your ass. And I've seen geographic concerns expressed by some on this forum.

But it's not like this is 1925 and it's not like you're in Tokyo. Everybody travels nowadays and it's no big deal. It probably wouldn't take much longer to get to Storrs than it takes to fly to Pittsburgh and drive to Morgantown.

Besides, you're the ones who will have to bear the brunt of the travel burden. Everybody else in the conference will just have to come to UConn once or twice per sporting season. You're the ones who will spending half your time in the midwest/southwest.

I definitely think UConn would make the best addition to the Big 12, especially if the six qualifications Boren cited really are the factors considered.
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One of the encouraging comments, was that they looked at what happens to schools who move into a better league, and shockingly, they improve. That comment was directed at UConn in my opinion. A 1-AA school that jumped to the Big East and did quite well. UConn is the school, due to facilities, overall fan base and commitment to athletics that is best positioned to make a leap. When recruits see a B12 schedule available if they come to UConn, we will see rapid improvement in recruiting.
 
coachcap said:
So I had Sirius Channel 91 on the radio on my way to work at 8 A.M. Taylor Z.'s opinion on Big-12 expansion: He wants Houston & Memphis added & if they to to 4 additions also add Colorado State & BYU. He was adamant. Rule #1-the pundits have spoken.
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Sure, that is a nice little package geography wise, but it falls well short of maximizing tv revenue. If the concern here is maximizing revenues - particularly positioning the conf for the next tv deal in 2026, hard to see how anything but a combination of BYU (national fan base)/UConn (NY/NE tv markets)/Cincy (Ohio market) and one direction FL school (FL - 18MM people) doesn't deliver the most $$ - by a country mile.
 
coachcap said:
So I had Sirius Channel 91 on the radio on my way to work at 8 A.M. Taylor Z.'s opinion on Big-12 expansion: He wants Houston & Memphis added & if they to to 4 additions also add Colorado State & BYU. He was adamant. Rule #1-the pundits have spoken.
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Rule #1 will be promoted from a Theory to a Law come November . . .
 
Excalibur said:
In other news, UConnDan97 cleaned his apartment, made a candlelight dinner and bought the finest wine. About to close the deal when she disclosed that she had a headache. And genital herpes.
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and disclosed she was a he-she.
 
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Damn you. Damn you all!

We're Doomed, damn it! Doooooomed!
 
Exit 4 said:
How about the wacky notion that they pass on CSU at this time because maybe Colorado (and Arizona State) could be available in the future if the PAC 12 continues to struggle with its own tv deal.
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ASU is not going to the B12. LA is an easy drive from Phoenix on the I10 .
Other destinitation are easy to get to with inexpensive west bound air.
Also very few transplants have ties to B12 areas , the majority are from B1G country or Pacific NW and California . With the addition of Utah and Colo the Pac is by far the best destination.
This state is culturally a suburb of California in many respects, politics is the exception. The predominant accent is even Californian..
 
Question from a friend in Texas.
"You always said that UConn was forever the bridesmaid and left at the altar because the feeling among P-5 Conferences was that the Huskies would always be there for the taking if and when the time came. If these UConn B12 rumors are valid right now why would the ACC or B1G want to cede access to their valuable Northeast/NYC footprint? Any chance you may get a call from either? "
 
Nostical said:
Question from a friend in Texas.
"You always said that UConn was forever the bridesmaid and left at the altar because the feeling among P-5 Conferences was that the Huskies would always be there for the taking if and when the time came. If these UConn B12 rumors are valid right now why would the ACC or B1G want to cede access to their valuable Northeast/NYC footprint? Any chance you may get a call from either? "
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That "no one will take us because we'll always be available" argument was always BS anyway. It doesn't even make any sense.

UConn is in the AAC due to a combination of:
  • Getting a late start even trying to move to another conference, because our leadership didn't see the P5 coming until it was too late
  • Bias against the school from the ACC for a variety of reasons (BC wants their territory, certain schools look at UConn as the main driver of the lawsuit thanks to Dandy D|ck Blumenthal, and the football schools don't like our crappy football...go figure)
  • Louisville was available for the ACC during the last round of expansion, and they always were a solid candidate, and taking them blocked them from going to the Big 12, which is where they really belong.
  • The B1G saw Rutgers as a better add for the NYC market

I suppose you could argue that one of the reasons the ACC took Louisville instead of UConn was because geography would likely prevent the Big 12 from being interested in us, and Louisville was right in their footprint, so if either school was likely to be available later it would be us. But really, Louisville was always a strong add in every category except academics, which we all know no one really cares about.

There's no conspiracy. Just a string of bad breaks.
 
amory said:
That "no one will take us because we'll always be available" argument was always BS anyway. It doesn't even make any sense.

UConn is in the AAC due to a combination of:
  • Getting a late start even trying to move to another conference, because our leadership didn't see the P5 coming until it was too late
  • Bias against the school from the ACC for a variety of reasons (BC wants their territory, certain schools look at UConn as the main driver of the lawsuit thanks to Dandy D|ck Blumenthal, and the football schools don't like our crappy football...go figure)
  • Louisville was available for the ACC during the last round of expansion, and they always were a solid candidate, and taking them blocked them from going to the Big 12, which is where they really belong.
  • The B1G saw Rutgers as a better add for the NYC market

I suppose you could argue that one of the reasons the ACC took Louisville instead of UConn was because geography would likely prevent the Big 12 from being interested in us, and Louisville was right in their footprint, so if either school was likely to be available later it would be us. But really, Louisville was always a strong add in every category except academics, which we all no no one really cares about.

There's no conspiracy. Just a string of bad breaks.
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Sounds like BC and some of the ACC members conspired to keep UConn out of the ACC, and indirectly the P5.
 
BUHusky10 said:
Sounds like BC and some of the ACC members conspired to keep UConn out of the ACC, and indirectly the P5.
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Haha, yeah I guess. But my point is there was always an explanation for not taking UConn beyond "oh, well they'll always be there if we need them".

Mostly it's Paul Pasqualoni's fault.
 
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Nostical said:
Question from a friend in Texas.
"You always said that UConn was forever the bridesmaid and left at the altar because the feeling among P-5 Conferences was that the Huskies would always be there for the taking if and when the time came. If these UConn B12 rumors are valid right now why would the ACC or B1G want to cede access to their valuable Northeast/NYC footprint? Any chance you may get a call from either? "
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YES!!! I'm hoping that we get involved in a bidding war between the Big 12, ACC and B1G.
 
Charley Horse said:
Boren said, "... strength of their athletic department, fan base, media market, reputation, integrity and academic standing..." I think that bodes very well for UConn and it's because those very factors also strike me as the most logical criteria that I've been reading and contributing to this forum over the past few months.

I'm just a Texas fan in Austin interested in what's best for the Horns. I don't have any emotional connection to UConn or Connecticut or even the northeast.

But I believe a sustainable Big 12 with a happy, committed Texas and OU is in Texas' best interest. I have believed all along that a 12 member, two division, CCG conference format would be best for the Big 12. And when I look at candidates, UConn has always struck me as best.

Media members seem to love BYU but I'll admit I have an animosity towards church schools. SMU killed the SWC and Baylor sullied the Big 12. Maybe BYU is a good church school and my prejudice is unfair. If WVU wasn't in the Big 12 maybe I'd be more open to entertaining the idea. But with the Big 12 having a stake in the ground in Morgantown, Provo just seems to spread the geographic footprint too far. I just can't see BYU being a better fit than UConn.

Others say Cincy is ready and Houston is splashy but when I look at the facebook map of college football fans (I love those things) those schools don't even have enough fans to carry their own cities.

I think the phrase "academic standing" eliminates Memphis. And don't they have a history of NCAA violations?

I know you're all probably pretty fed up with the entire process and the last thing you want is somebody like me blowing smoke up your ass. And I've seen geographic concerns expressed by some on this forum.

But it's not like this is 1925 and it's not like you're in Tokyo. Everybody travels nowadays and it's no big deal. It probably wouldn't take much longer to get to Storrs than it takes to fly to Pittsburgh and drive to Morgantown.

Besides, you're the ones who will have to bear the brunt of the travel burden. Everybody else in the conference will just have to come to UConn once or twice per sporting season. You're the ones who will spending half your time in the midwest/southwest.

I definitely think UConn would make the best addition to the Big 12, especially if the six qualifications Boren cited really are the factors considered.
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You really know how to make a gal feel special
 
Nostical said:
Question from a friend in Texas.
"You always said that UConn was forever the bridesmaid and left at the altar because the feeling among P-5 Conferences was that the Huskies would always be there for the taking if and when the time came. If these UConn B12 rumors are valid right now why would the ACC or B1G want to cede access to their valuable Northeast/NYC footprint? Any chance you may get a call from either? "
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That question from a Texas friend is very insightful
I suspect the personal animosity is somewhat too blame though overplayed.
I also suspect BC and Cuse would love to see us destroyed and pretty much thought we would be gone by now. But the real reason is the football schools wanted Louisville and the threat of their departure was real enough to motivate them in taking a somewhat less attractive Acedemic school in an Un-strategic location . It was an impulse buy based somewhat on the belief that the ACC was our only option.
If we survived we would be theirs for the asking if we died then oh well.
The B1G decision on the other hand was a business decision based on what state best advanced the BTN ,New Jersey with 9million people whose state flagship was AAU vs Ct with 3.5 million and not AAU . Even given that huge disparity we still had some B1G support . The irony of the ACCN is it increased our likelihood of going to the B1G.
That's the best answer I can offer your Texas friend
 
Nostical said:
Question from a friend in Texas.
"You always said that UConn was forever the bridesmaid and left at the altar because the feeling among P-5 Conferences was that the Huskies would always be there for the taking if and when the time came. If these UConn B12 rumors are valid right now why would the ACC or B1G want to cede access to their valuable Northeast/NYC footprint? Any chance you may get a call from either? "
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Tell your Texas friend that the probability of Texas and UConn ending up in the same conference is real.
I don't mean the Big 12
The number of Acedemically suitable Flagships who value athletics ,and are in great markets is extremely limited .
When that happens pilgrimileges to the Ancestral Austin home in Durham Ct will be a must
 
Did anything ever come out of the ACC attempt to eliminate rule that Championship Game required division winners? I'm still holding out hope that NCAA will allow championship game without divisions, which would allow ACC football to have 15 divisionless teams (of which UConn would be be a part). ND making everything challenging, since they are messing up the balance of the league.... I can't see what else would hold up ACC from adding UConn, except for the fact that ND is taking up half a spot....
 
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More raw stuff. Sorry.

"So apparently the muckity mucks at Texas are now in FAVOR of expansion. Why might this be? Because UT and OU have brokered an agreement whereby the Big 12 will add two and more likely FOUR new members. In return for this acquiescence on the part of Texas--who loses nothing short term, since the TV partners will be forced to add full, pro-rata shares of $ for each newbie added---the conference will not seek to penalize the Horns when they leave the conference. In other words, Texas (and OU) are agreeing to allowing the conference to expand now and even assimilating the teams that will be their eventual replacements. This explains why Texas and OU aren't concerned about sticking it to their Big 12 TV partners---they know they will be moving on."
 
Nostical said:
More raw stuff. Sorry.

"So apparently the muckity mucks at Texas are now in FAVOR of expansion. Why might this be? Because UT and OU have brokered an agreement whereby the Big 12 will add two and more likely FOUR new members. In return for this acquiescence on the part of Texas--who loses nothing short term, since the TV partners will be forced to add full, pro-rata shares of $ for each newbie added---the conference will not seek to penalize the Horns when they leave the conference. In other words, Texas (and OU) are agreeing to allowing the conference to expand now and even assimilating the teams that will be their eventual replacements. This explains why Texas and OU aren't concerned about sticking it to their Big 12 TV partners---they know they will be moving on."
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Texas - the masters of extraction!
 
Nostical said:
More raw stuff. Sorry.

"So apparently the muckity mucks at Texas are now in FAVOR of expansion. Why might this be? Because UT and OU have brokered an agreement whereby the Big 12 will add two and more likely FOUR new members. In return for this acquiescence on the part of Texas--who loses nothing short term, since the TV partners will be forced to add full, pro-rata shares of $ for each newbie added---the conference will not seek to penalize the Horns when they leave the conference. In other words, Texas (and OU) are agreeing to allowing the conference to expand now and even assimilating the teams that will be their eventual replacements. This explains why Texas and OU aren't concerned about sticking it to their Big 12 TV partners---they know they will be moving on."
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so add four now and send houston and memphis a notice that they have seats at the table when UT and OU depart at a later date.
 
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