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Message: [QUOTE="notthestuff, post: 5340201, member: 8549"] The difference is that Posey led the league in WAR and adjusted OPS+. Raleigh and Judge aren't close in either case. Judge is 2 full points higher on Baseball Reference and half a point higher on fWar which adds more weight to the metrics that only catchers add. Posey was also only 40 pts behind in regular OPS. Judge is 40 pts ahead on OPS+ which is enormous and 177 points higher on regular OPS. Gunnar Henderson with the 55th highest OPS in the league is closer to Cal Raleigh than Cal Raleigh is to Aaron Judge. I get the fatigue around Judge, but there is no measurable objective stat the tries to value total impact where Raleigh has an advantage other than home runs and RBI's. The only argument is the emotional "he's a catcher having a historic year for a catcher" argument. If you want to make a defensive argument it still doesn't close the gap. Via Baseball Reference and Fangraphs they have both saved 1 run above average. That doesn't even put a dent in the 40 extra runs on offense Judge has produced. I get giving the edge to the catcher if the numbers are close and there is a narrative that they are because of the homeruns but other than that, they aren't at all close. That said, the narrative is the narrative and it's a much more interesting story for Cal Raleigh but if it goes that way it's certainly not because he's more deserving. [/QUOTE]