Most Overseeded or Underseeded Teams

[Hans Sprungfeld]

That was drier than a stale rice cake. Well done.

How does a rice cake get stale?
Aren't they pre-staled?

 

[HobokenHusky]

Remember that time Jalen Adan’s made an 80 foot shot while your guys were all standing around 1/2 court celebrating?

Good times.

 

[Kolumbo]

the 2 seed in the west playing a california school in north carolina is the obvious overseed, of course.

 

[uconngb]

Michigan should not be there period. I mean not only in with that crap record but not even mentioned as “last four in.”? 17-14 is not earning a spot but because the B10 was once again overrated they’re in. Good thing their sucker punching coach cane back for the B10 tourney to get their butts kicked.

Just happy the 18-15 Sooners didn’t get in too. I can’t believe they were even mentioned as “last 4 out”,lol.

Every year the Big 10 gets over rated and every year they disappoint. This year will be no different. Michigan getting in is criminal, but since their coach is one I guess it makes sense.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

LOL. In your words, "they beat Kentucky and Gonzaga on neutral courts ...." Can I make a case for Tennessee over them for the last 2? Absolutely. But let's not pretend this was some off the wall decision, when they have neutral court wins over the #1 and #5 teams overall per the Committee.

Sorry that by being fair & honest in noting "neutral court" my emphasis wasn't "November."

I wasn't impressed by their play or opponents. Happy to provide your laugh.

 

[alphasigko]

I think that Iowa should have been at least a 4 and possibly a 3 given the way they have played for at least the last month.

 

[Tenspro2002]

We complain about who got in and seedings every year but this one was as bad a job as the committee has ever done. Feels like the decisions were made before the tournament and the tweaks were only for surprise auto bids by teams who won their tournaments

I have long suspected that the Committee basically phones it in on Sunday and the conferences that hold their championship games on Sunday are doing their teams no favors in seeding.

 

[Dogdeacon]

Agreed. Found this graphic online which compares their two resumes. Don’t know how they could justify Duke as a 2 over Tennessee.

C'mon.
1. Dook gets minimum of 1 (NC or SC), often 2 (NJ, NC, ATL) homecourt advantages every year to ensure they make the sweet 16 or even final four.
2. It is truly amazing given the crazy Cameron advantage and favorable whistle that Dook lost both its last home game and the ACC title game.
3. Regardless see #1, surprised K didn't push for an honorary 1 seed as a lifetime achievement recognition.

Hopefully this is the final year of this crap as the most self-serving willing to leverage or shame others despite always getting favorable coverage, treatment, perks, literally favorable everything team/coach in the history of the game finally goes bye-bye.

 

[tzznandrew]

1. Dook gets minimum of 1 (NC or SC), often 2 (NJ, NC, ATL) homecourt advantages every year to ensure they make the sweet 16 or even final four.

If all those places are home court advantages then it tells you more about their alumni and fan base and there's essentially nowhere fair to put them.

It's almost the same distance and drive from Durham to Atlanta as it is from Storrs to Buffalo or DC.

Duke is fun to hate, but people get absurd with their criticism. All the top seeds play near home. Duke isn't even playing in their same state. Just because Carolina is in both, doesn't mean the fans are the same.

 

[August_West]

If all those places are home court advantages then it tells you more about their alumni and fan base and there's essentially nowhere fair to put them.

It's almost the same distance and drive from Durham to Atlanta as it is from Storrs to Buffalo or DC.

Duke is fun to hate, but people get absurd with their criticism. All the top seeds play near home. Duke isn't even playing in their same state. Just because Carolina is in both, doesn't mean the fans are the same.

Thank you. I dont want to hear this crap out of a fanbase that drew less than Nova at BET.

All that post meant is that Duke has better fans than us.

 

[storrsroars]

xavier is overseeded imo. don't think they deserved a 2 seed.

edit: i was looking at the nit bracket, sorry.

Not that anyone really cares, but St. John's got robbed not getting an NIT bid while Bonnies, Oregon, UVA, Belmont & Colorado all got in ahead of them.

 

[Kolumbo]

How does a rice cake get stale?
Aren't they pre-staled?

One important mechanism in staling is the migration of moisture from the starch granules into the interstitial spaces, degelatinizing the starch. The starch amylose and amylopectin molecules realign themselves causing recrystallisation.

 

[mauconnfan]

Not that anyone really cares, but St. John's got robbed not getting an NIT bid while Bonnies, Oregon, UVA, Belmont & Colorado all got in ahead of them.

Yep Johnnies we’re playing well at the end of the year and blew it versus the Wildcats.

 

[UConniki]

Remember that time Jalen Adan’s made an 80 foot shot while your guys were all standing around 1/2 court celebrating?

Good times.

We were there….. barely…. Got a flat tire on the way there, was driving by the Amway center and heard the score 5 minutes into the second half ( down by 12) , turned to my son and asked if he wanted to go to sea world instead ( we have season tickets) he said we can go tomorrow if they lose. ( I had just had major reconstructive hand surgery and wasn’t supposed to be driving and couldn’t take the pain meds till we checked in somewhere… lotta pain, ) So we went to the game (one of the best decisions I’ve ever made ) saw the shot and the 4 overtimes and then they won the next 2 games and the championship and we came home with a lifetime worth of UConn memories. Oh and we never made it to Sea World that weekend.

 

[McLovin]

heres the actual data if anyone was curious…

 

[HuskyHawk]

heres the actual data if anyone was curious…

I had Creighton among the most under-seeded and they have it as most overseeded. I don't know who creates this data.

 

[jibsey]

I’ll give you a major unseeded. St. John’s. Shoulda got in the NIT. Played us and Nova to the wire and lost many close games to quality teams.

 

[methodology]

Underseeded: South Dakota st, va tech, Tennessee, ucla, Iowa, ucla, Houston

Overseeded: Colorado St, Murray st, Arkansas, Miami, Wisconsin, providence, usc

 

[Jimdish255]

I had Creighton among the most under-seeded and they have it as most overseeded. I don't know who creates this data.

The numbers vs the late season eye test are a big contrast for Creighton. Regardless they're a team you might not want to face in the first 2 rounds.

 

[McLovin]

I had Creighton among the most under-seeded and they have it as most overseeded. I don't know who creates this data.

Its from the Matt Eisenberg tournament guide (@matteise on Twitter) and believe it’s based heavily on Kenpom data.

Edit: looks like it uses a blend of 6 different ranking systems. So I’d assume that means NET, BPI, Kenpom, etc..

P.S. anyone who’s betting or doing brackets should download his guide. It’s epic.

 

[Hey Adrien!]

Iowa at 5.

Typical Iowa teams aren’t built for March, but this isn’t a typical Iowa team. They are as offensively efficient as always, but they have a grittiness I’m not used to. I’m a big Murray fan and their backcourt and f Bohannon/Tossaint is so steady.

I have them going to the Elite 8 in my bracket.

 

[Dogdeacon]

Thank you. I dont want to hear this crap out of a fanbase that drew less than Nova at BET.

All that post meant is that Duke has better fans than us.

I see the point, Dook certainly benefits from a more regional alumni base (vs say UConn or UNC) and has built a brand as a perennial good team like other 'national' teams, Cowboys, Notre Dame, Yankees.

Respectfully though this is somewhat a self-fulfilling prophecy of espn love and the favorable national spin that results. It is similar to how they have so many McD's AA yet don't produce the requisite # of pros = perpetually reap various benefits from favorable coverage/ratings:
Per link below Dook's played in NC or SC 15 times since 1997 and there are more if count add'l rounds in NC. Try to remember how favorable it was for UConn when we returned to MSG during the 2014 run or Hartford way back in 1990 which was absolute craziness (no way was UConn losing in Htfd), Dook gets a break like that more often than any one else. By comparison, UConn men haven't played an NCAA game in CT since 1990. Maybe once every 10 years the Huskies get a MSG or MA (never RI as I recall) game - Dook again more often than not.

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[SubbaBub]

Wisconsin's NET is 24 but they are a 3 seed. LSU as a 6 and Colorado State as a 6 and Bama as 6. No wonder people are picking a ton of 11/6 upsets. Wyoming in at all.

Underseeds start and end with Tennessee.

 

[McLovin]

Wisconsin's NET is 24 but they are a 3 seed. LSU as a 6 and Colorado State as a 6 and Bama as 6. No wonder people are picking a ton of 11/6 upsets. Wyoming in at all.

Underseeds start and end with Tennessee.

No doubt UT is criminally underseeded based on their NET / Kenpom / fact that they just won the SEC…

This could be because I’ve been burned too many times betting on them in the past (to be fair, that’s how I felt about Baylor before last year) but my gut is telling me Tennessee doesn’t make it out of the first weekend.

Living in Nashville I catch a good amount of their games. Their offense is prone to going really cold at times… kind of like ours.

 

[Watchdog]

heres the actual data if anyone was curious…
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Going by this, the Big East was given a lot of respect.