Most overrated NCAA tourney teams? Duke & Cuse

[Matrim55]

Analysis | No team is more overrated in more NCAA tournaments than Duke

But looking only at those more-than-one-seed upsets, Duke is tied with Oklahoma. Both schools have been upset by teams more than one seeding away the same number of times. On average, Duke is upset by teams that are 4.4 seedings worse than they are; Oklahoma by schools that are 5.3 seedings worse. Of the schools that have suffered the most upsets since 1985 (listed above), Syracuse has been upset the most consistently badly, being upset, on average, by schools that are 5.9 seedings worse.

Over time, Duke’s upsets have grown worse. The last four times they were upset were by teams that were at least four seedings worse than them.

 

[UConn990411]

Duke may be consistently overseeded, but it's tough to use the word "overrated" to describe a program with 5 titles and a dozen or so Final Fours.

Syracuse, though? Both overrated and overseeded seem to be accurate.

 

[RayIsTheGOAT]

Duke may be consistently overseeded, but it's tough to use the word "overrated" to describe a program with 5 titles and a dozen or so Final Fours.

Syracuse, though? Both overrated and overseeded seem to be accurate.

You're not overrated if you've won 5 titles. And recently too. Duke has consistently earned their seeds in a great conference.
If Duke is overrated, then what are we?

 

[BUConn10]

It's easy to always get "upset" when even your worst teams have their flaws overlooked in the name of talent, potential, and brand name every year and get gifted a 2 or 3 seed in off years without fail.

 

[August_West]

You know what I get out of this thread?

LOL Syracuse

 

[Matrim55]

You know what I get out of this thread?

LOL Syracuse

Been a bit of that going around

 

[pauliepeppas]

Syracuse has the 8th best winning pct in the tourney......

 

[Matrim55]

Syracuse has the 8th best winning pct in the tourney.

No, they have the 17th-best winning pct in the tourney. UConn is 11th.

 

[pauliepeppas]

Your right....I was looking at overall win pct

 

[UConnTrumbull]

^subtle

 

[TampaHusky78]

Syracuse has the 8th best winning pct in the tourney.

And only ONE championship

 

[pauliepeppas]

And only ONE championship

How unfortunate

 

[Jerry1714]

Your right....I was looking at overall win pct

man if you are going to come and troll you cannot fail like that

 

[Matrim55]

man if you are going to come and troll you cannot fail like that

IDK man failure in March is kind of what Syracuse does best. Dude's playing his role very well!

 

[pauliepeppas]

man if you are going to come and troll you cannot fail like that

Or I just looked at the wrong stat ...

 

[Hankster]

The Top 25 was up and down all year. Many upsets all year. In fact I recall Duke being #7 in the nation but not even 500 in their own conference. The Grayson suspension for 1 game was a joke. Or was it two. The big dogs are either losing or winning by a hair. Overrated? Seems like the 7,8,9 seeds are strong this year.Taking care of business.

 

[Jerry1714]

Or I just looked at the wrong stat ...

I know, and that in and of itself is a failure.

 

[John]

Or I just looked at the wrong stat ...

You get the Helms Trophy for Trolling.

 

[gtcam]

You're not overrated if you've won 5 titles. And recently too. Duke has consistently earned their seeds in a great conference.
If Duke is overrated, then what are we?

Yes Duke has won 5 titles and some rather recently
UConn has won 4 in last 20 years- that's where UConn is at this time
Duke has been consistently overseeded in the last 10 years
As far as great conference - I'll let the results of the past weekend and past years speak for themselves
Is Duke a great basketball tradition? Yes Is UConn? Hell Yes
Duke has had a huge advantage over UConn in recruiting, seeding advantages, "home court" tournament games and yet they have 5 and UConn 4

 

[BugsyCT]

You can probably put Kansas in that category too (sorry beakum). Lots of early round upsets & losses to lower seeds. On the other hand they're consistently up there as a 1 or 2 seed every other year it seems. Plus making the dance some 28 straight years (since 1990 I think) is a tremendous accomplishment.

 

[DonaldDraper]

You're not overrated if you've won 5 titles. And recently too. Duke has consistently earned their seeds in a great conference.
If Duke is overrated, then what are we?

They've been to 11ish Final Fours since the field expanded to 64. That is crazy. I don't care whether they got gifted a home court, or were overseeded. That is a crazy high number and it is very tough to win 4 straight games against this type of competition and get to the FF.

They have also been a 1 seed about 13 times, which makes this writer's "upset" category pretty much the only way you can lose. Not super common that a 1 seed even gets to play a 2 seed in the elite 8 game.

Duke winning a championship isn't the worst thing in the world for UCONN. It holds our relative prestige against the rest of CBB and doesn't hurt our recruiting. Duke is going to have their pick of recruits whether they win or not. When a team like Villanova or Louisville wins, it puts them on the radar of recruits we may want to go after and increases that program's prestige.

 

[msgordon]

this is terrible 'analysis'

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I hate Cuse as much as the next guy (actually quite a bit more) but they have been pretty solid in the Tournament lately. We are certainly boom or bust and I'd take that every time, and Cuse fans would too, but I'd gather there aren't more than 10 programs with more success than them since 2009 (arbitrary cut off because we both made Sweet 16s that season).

Cuse
Sweet 16s (5) 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2016
Elite 8s (3) 2012, 2013, 2016
Final 4s (2) 2013, 2016

UConn
Sweet 16s (3) 2009, 2011, 2014
Elite 8s (3) 2009, 2011, 2014
Final 4s (3) 2009, 2011, 2014
Titles (2) 2011, 2014

 

[Kembacity]

and there is something to be said about the fact that being in the tournament as a pretty high seed every year gives you more chances to be upset by a few seeds at least. Duke and Kansas definitely fall into that category, like I'm sure no one would choose 1 tournament berth and a lot of success over going there 9 times in 10 years and being upset in the first round a few times

 

[jibsey]

Yes Duke has won 5 titles and some rather recently
UConn has won 4 in last 20 years- that's where UConn is at this time
Duke has been consistently overseeded in the last 10 years
As far as great conference - I'll let the results of the past weekend and past years speak for themselves
Is Duke a great basketball tradition? Yes Is UConn? Hell Yes
Duke has had a huge advantage over UConn in recruiting, seeding advantages, "home court" tournament games and yet they have 5 and UConn 4

These are not small advantages. In 2016 alone Duke had #'s 1,3,10,16 and 44 recruits and it's every year pretty much. Our 4 titles dwarf their 5 in difficulty of achievement from that standpoint. They have good teams, get crazy publicity and hype constantly on ESPN which self perpetuates.