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Message: [QUOTE="Bigboote, post: 2293949, member: 7631"] I am a huge Zappa fan, and I'll admit I like some avant-garde music. I'm not sure he was entirely serious when he said the Shaggs were great, but I do think there was a grain of seriousness in it. Don't forget that he cited Edgar Varese as possibly his biggest influence. There is a hint of unconscious avant-garde in the Shaggs music. The thing that comes immediately to mind is the drumming that doesn't mesh at all with the rest of the music*. In a way it's reminiscent of some of Cecil Taylor's music in which the drummer is keeping a furious beat while the piano and sax are playing something quite relaxed. Taylor often played without a bass, too. *I read a review awhile back, which I can't find now, in which the reviewer said something to the effect, "The drummer is trying to keep a good beat, but it's not the beat of the song the others are playing." [/QUOTE]