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For all the progress that MLS had made... how in the world do they have a worse logo than the average fake league in a mid 80's Nintendo game?
 
It's generic and should go away. So is the Bundesliga logo. Love the current La Liga badge and old FA EPL logo
 
LIuconn said:
It's generic and should go away. So is the Bundesliga logo. Love the current La Liga badge and old FA EPL logo
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The Bundesliga logo is sleek, clean, and minimalist. It looks sharp.
 
whaler11 said:
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For all the progress that MLS had made... how in the world do they have a worse logo than the average fake league in a mid 80's Nintendo game?
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Another Don Garber fail. I would overlook it if he would stop being such a wuss and actually get the owners to bite on a respectable salary cap.
 
LIuconn said:
It's generic and should go away. So is the Bundesliga logo. Love the current La Liga badge and old FA EPL logo
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Well I think generic was what they were going for, so, it seems to work.

Don't hold your breath, the last logo (foot/ball) lasted about 17-18 years (1996). This one's only been around 3 (2014).
 
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meyers7 said:
Well I think generic was what they were going for, so, it seems to work.

Don't hold your breath, the last logo (foot/ball) lasted about 17-18 years (1996). This one's only been around 3 (2014).
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That would require them to admit that they made a mistake.
 
ZooCougar said:
Exactly. One of the many blind spots.
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There are plenty of problems with MLS and lots of things they can fix/change. I wouldn't say their logo is in the top 100.
 
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UConnDan97 said:
The league desperately needs promotion / relegation. It's a joke that they won't entertain it. All to protect a 150 million dollar entry fee for expansion candidates, as well as to further protect owners that are already invested in the league.

The MLS will never compete with bigger leagues until this change happens...
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I don't know enough about MLS's preferences or the contracts they currently have in place, but they try to make it clear that they can't talk to anyone about media rights currently because of their current contracts. It doesn't mean that behind the scenes they aren't preparing to be able to meet such a requirement when the window opens.
 
Chuck said:
I don't know enough about MLS's preferences or the contracts they currently have in place, but they try to make it clear that they can't talk to anyone about media rights currently because of their current contracts. It doesn't mean that behind the scenes they aren't preparing to be able to meet such a requirement when the window opens.
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They won't risk their cash at the possibility of relegation. @LIuconn nailed it in his comment above; short and sweet. There is always going to be a "what's in it for me?" attitude from owners. It's their money on the line, I guess, so who am I to tell them differently?

Oh yeah, I'm the fan who they're making money from.... ;)
 
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MLS can make some domestic waves if they go the route of pro-rel. It's a risky proposition for the owners who model their franchise after Donald Sterling
  • The only thing better than a championship chase is the relegation battle (and second tier becomes relevant)
  • Have 1 team relegated in each conference each year (kinda protects major markets)
  • Eliminates tanking (and have the parachute payment the EPL does to help soften the blow - I'm not in favor of it but it may be the reality)
MLS ownership must be like that rental property that cash flows like crazy and doesn't require any maintenance. Tough to rock the boat with devaluing the investment
 
LIuconn said:
Too bad:
MLS rejected $4 billion media rights deal requiring promotion/relegation
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So, I love what Silva did here. He really rattled everyone's cage and I like how with one simple act he showed how much sway MLS has over the development of the professional game in the US.

That being said, 4 Billion is not enough to cover the turbulence that Pro/Rel would cause. It works out to about 160 mil per MLS team over ten years, but with parachute payments and solidarity payments to the lower divisions, it would be MUCH lower.

Secondly, the USSF is who decides whether or not we have Pro/Rel and the USSF is basically controlled by MLS, so as long as that is the case we're not going to have it.
 
LIuconn said:
MLS can make some domestic waves if they go the route of pro-rel. It's a risky proposition for the owners who model their franchise after Donald Sterling
  • The only thing better than a championship chase is the relegation battle (and second tier becomes relevant)
  • Have 1 team relegated in each conference each year (kinda protects major markets)
  • Eliminates tanking (and have the parachute payment the EPL does to help soften the blow - I'm not in favor of it but it may be the reality)
MLS ownership must be like that rental property that cash flows like crazy and doesn't require any maintenance. Tough to rock the boat with devaluing the investment
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That's probably the best argument for Pro/Rel implementation.

The fact of the matter is that the domestic leagues are not as popular as the EPL, La Liga or even Liga Mx in the US. Just look at the crowds for some of the ICC matches.
 
I'd like to see it instituted at the lower levels. If it's successful they can point to that for why it needs to be in the upper tier. I know it won't make the fat cat owners happy but so what.
 
I also believe that the league Hartford FC is in is considering Promotion/Relegation. I think they tweeted out an article discussing it being considered by their league and two others. Would definitely make it more interesting to watch games on their level knowing more then just a trophy is on the line
 
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MLS TV ratings down 8% compared to last season - World Soccer Talk

Meanwhile....


"While the news from ESPN and FOX Sports is rosier, last weekend’s TV numbers are concerning. The final Behind The Badge episode on West Brom that NBCSN aired on Sunday mid-afternoon had more viewers than the primetime FS1 MLS game between Toronto and Sporting KC on Friday.

Also the relegation battle between Middlesbrough and Swansea — two teams that do not have a lot of fans in the US — had more viewers for their early Sunday morning game on NBCSN than Friday night’s MLS game shown in primetime to the west coast between Seattle and Atlanta. That’s the same Seattle that is the current MLS champion. And Atlanta, who are the most exciting team in the league this season."
 
ZooCougar said:
Also the relegation battle between Middlesbrough and Swansea — two teams that do not have a lot of fans in the US — had more viewers for their early Sunday morning game on NBCSN than Friday night’s MLS game shown in primetime to the west coast between Seattle and Atlanta. That’s the same Seattle that is the current MLS champion. And Atlanta, who are the most exciting team in the league this season."
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The part bolded above is the biggest reason why promotion/relegation matter. Not many would watch that game but the fact that it was a relegation battle made it interesting. I find MLS to be boring and honestly I have a hard time watching the product. However, I have no trouble turning on the TV to watch a random game from a major European League, especially if something is riding on it.

It really would be interesting to see what would happen to viewership if relegation was implemented. I'm not positive it would have a huge impact because it's really the product on the field that's no enjoyable to watch. However, it would help drive some viewership.
 
I also was surprised to see that the US and Australia are the only two FIFA nations that do not have a promotion/relegation system and that is somehow against some FIFA rule. In Australia's case, I'm not sure of they even have any lower divisions so that might explain why they don't have promotion/relegation?
 
UCFBfan said:
The part bolded above is the biggest reason why promotion/relegation matter. Not many would watch that game but the fact that it was a relegation battle made it interesting. I find MLS to be boring and honestly I have a hard time watching the product. However, I have no trouble turning on the TV to watch a random game from a major European League, especially if something is riding on it.

It really would be interesting to see what would happen to viewership if relegation was implemented. I'm not positive it would have a huge impact because it's really the product on the field that's no enjoyable to watch. However, it would help drive some viewership.
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The regular season in MLS is meaningless. You have to really follow it to divine significance. That and really none of the teams have nation followings.
 
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