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Over the last full year Aaron Judge is basically Babe Ruth. This season he’s at around .430 so far. of course you can argue whether its harder back then or now (I say now because of the relievers) but he is the best overall hitter in baseball and his defense is something else.
For anyone thinking that they wish they could have seen Ruth, Gehrig, Williams or the like in person, go see Judge, Yankee fan or not.
I feel similarly about Ohtani, and yes I’ve seen them both hit home runs in person.
 
UConnTrumbull said:
Definitely harder to do now. Ruth played in a segregated era. That’s all you need to know.
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There's no doubt hitting is harder today. Desegregation was a big factor, and now it's relievers coupled with technology.

That said, the interesting thing with Ruth that can't be ignored is the number of seasons where he hit 10 or more HRs than the 2nd place finisher, including a few years where he had more than twice as many HRs as the #2. As everyone else was hitting vs the same quality pitching, that kind of dominance can't be brushed aside.
 
Pitchers didn't have sliders back then but they had doctored baseballs. I read where the balls were brown after only a couple of throws from some pitchers.
 
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jibsey said:
Over the last full year Aaron Judge is basically Babe Ruth. This season he’s at around .430 so far. of course you can argue whether its harder back then or now (I say now because of the relievers) but he is the best overall hitter in baseball and his defense is something else.
For anyone thinking that they wish they could have seen Ruth, Gehrig, Williams or the like in person, go see Judge, Yankee fan or not.
I feel similarly about Ohtani, and yes I’ve seen them both hit home runs in person.
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But, he dropped that ball, yo.
 
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UConnTrumbull said:
Definitely harder to do now. Ruth played in a segregated era. That’s all you need to know.
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He was only played part time. Working another job when he was off, didn’t have world class chefs and doctors, smoking and drinking was very common, the bats and equipment were much heavier, etc.

Much harder to play back then
 
I wish we could see Ruth in this era. Sure he’d drop ounces off his bat, but I think he’d still rake. How much? No idea, but he would be good.

I’d also like to bring the mound back up, and see a ‘68 Gibson throw against today’s hitters.

Judge is just unfair - you’re not supposed to be late and still easily hit it out. And, probably 15 percent of his strike outs are low.
 
storrsroars said:
There's no doubt hitting is harder today. Desegregation was a big factor, and now it's relievers coupled with technology.

That said, the interesting thing with Ruth that can't be ignored is the number of seasons where he hit 10 or more HRs than the 2nd place finisher, including a few years where he had more than twice as many HRs as the #2. As everyone else was hitting vs the same quality pitching, that kind of dominance can't be brushed aside.
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I think the crazier Ruth stat is that in 1920 he had more home runs than every team in baseball except one. Think he did the same in 27.
 
Scottzer said:
I wish we could see Ruth in this era. Sure he’d drop ounces off his bat, but I think he’d still rake. How much? No idea, but he would be good.

I’d also like to bring the mound back up, and see a ‘68 Gibson throw against today’s hitters.

Judge is just unfair - you’re not supposed to be late and still easily hit it out. And, probably 15 percent of his strike outs are low.
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Umpires cannot for some reason understand where his knees are.
 
Babe held the record for consecutive scoreless innings pitched in the World Series for 43 years.
 
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UConnSwag11 said:
He was only played part time. Working another job when he was off, didn’t have world class chefs and doctors, smoking and drinking was very common, the bats and equipment were much heavier, etc.

Much harder to play back then
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By this logic the pitcher's pitching to him were also plumbers who smoked, drank and had high cholestorol. I never understand why Ruth gets credit for it when that was just commonplace back then. If you want to argue that Ruth was more dominant in his era than any other player in their respective era, then sure, go for it. But let's not get blinded by historical nostalgia. Any AA pitcher today would strike out Ruth lol
 
Modern baseball, they use a new ball basically every batter, sometimes multiple times. Back in those days, the ball was used until it went into the stands. If a pitched ball hits the dirt, new one incoming, Immediately, in today’s game.
 
Ruth used a 42 ounce bat for most of his career. How many of today's players could even lift a 42 ounce bat?
 
Palatine said:
Ruth used a 42 ounce bat for most of his career. How many of today's players could even lift a 42 ounce bat?
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I can swing an axe, so I’d say all of them. Just not quick enough to hit a fastball.
 
If you put up the Babe vs prime deGrom or Paul Skenes, I don't think Babe gets a hit in 100 at bats.

What Judge is doing is incredible. Teams are going to start giving him the Bonds treatment.
 
Mets1432 said:
If you put up the Babe vs prime deGrom or Paul Skenes, I don't think Babe gets a hit in 100 at bats.

What Judge is doing is incredible. Teams are going to start giving him the Bonds treatment.
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Jim Brown wouldn't gain 100 yards in any game vs today's NFL defenses.
Bob Cousy wouldn't make it in G League.
Gordie Howe would be lapped by an average NHL defenseman.

These arguments are silly. You can only judge what someone does in their era. Once you take them out of their era, then you'd have to apply all the benefits of the current era - training, diet, tech, overall improvements in health, etc. etc. etc.
 
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I listened to David Cone yesterday on The Dan Patrick Show. He mentioned that Judge has decreased his strikeout percentage from 40% early in his career to 22% currently. Pretty remarkable for a power hitter along with the fact that he is hitting over .400 so far this season.
 
jibsey said:
Over the last full year Aaron Judge is basically Babe Ruth. This season he’s at around .430 so far. of course you can argue whether its harder back then or now (I say now because of the relievers) but he is the best overall hitter in baseball and his defense is something else.
For anyone thinking that they wish they could have seen Ruth, Gehrig, Williams or the like in person, go see Judge, Yankee fan or not.
I feel similarly about Ohtani, and yes I’ve seen them both hit home runs in person.
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His defense? Like the bobbled fly ball in the WS that was basically the catalyst for the start of the Dodgers' run and eventual Series victory?
 
Hitting .400 is memorable but this- this is forever:

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jibsey said:
Over the last full year Aaron Judge is basically Babe Ruth. This season he’s at around .430 so far. of course you can argue whether its harder back then or now (I say now because of the relievers) but he is the best overall hitter in baseball and his defense is something else.
For anyone thinking that they wish they could have seen Ruth, Gehrig, Williams or the like in person, go see Judge, Yankee fan or not.
I feel similarly about Ohtani, and yes I’ve seen them both hit home runs in person.
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Dude lets relax. Hes hitting .430 yeah but April just finished. If hes still over .400 on July 1rst then we can start talking historical and him being the best hitter in the game. Its far too early for that and its not like hes mashing homers and rbi at some insane rate. He has 2 homeruns and 2 rbi more than Pete Alonso. Also Pete Alonso is a lifetime .250 hitter and hes at .345 right now and has been in the .350s most of April and unlike my blood pressure thats likely to come down at some point. Lets wait and see.
 
Mets1432 said:
If you put up the Babe vs prime deGrom or Paul Skenes, I don't think Babe gets a hit in 100 at bats.

What Judge is doing is incredible. Teams are going to start giving him the Bonds treatment.
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So is this a new survey we can do? Babe Ruth vs 100 pitches from X pitcher? lol. I think youre crazy. Babe Ruth is going to but some wood on the ball and hit a couple out. He was just some fat guy he had power and bat to ball skills which is why he so utterly dominated his era in larger ball parks mind you. If it was so easy other guys would have done it. That being said it would be interesting what the Babe would do in todays game over a season. I dont think he comes close to his numbers but a guy with obvious bat to ball skills with a quick bat coming in at 6`2 over 215lbs is going to hit some balls out. My guess is he`d be like a .280/30/95 guy if of course he was given time and equipment to adjust to todays game.
 
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jibsey said:
Are you sane? He’s a great outfielder with an amazing arm. Can he make an error or strike out in a critical spot? Yes of course. They all can even the best.
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Reference the pic in Post #21. That IS forever! So would batting over 0.400 be, if he can sustain it for the next 5 months. Possible, yes; probable, not so much.
 
UConnTrumbull said:
Definitely harder to do now. Ruth played in a segregated era. That’s all you need to know.
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Ruth played in an era when the pitchers mound was almost a foot higher than it is now. Ruth also played in an era when a new baseball was hard as a rock. Why do you numbskulls think owners progressively lowered the mound through the years, or progressively juiced the ball up to where it was almost a Superball? Anyone who thinks it’s harder to hit a pitcher nowadays is delusional.

Last but not least, Ruth was not a “fat guy” during the majority of his years in the majors, he was a superb athlete. He might be the most talented player to ever pick up a bat or a glove. You know it’s funny that the pitcher with the best lifetime win percentage against the New York Yankees was not Pedro or Roger Clemens or Randy Johnson or Bert Blyleven, but this guy was great and was 18-5 lifetime against the Bronx Bombers….his picture is below….


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