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RegisteredUconn said:
I think there's a bigger point here. We're not the prize; neither was Rutgers. The prize is the region and its sixty million plus sets of eyeballs.

I'm sure the B1G has been reading the tea leaves for decades. I'm sure they've known that demographic trends don't favor them. I'm sure they've brainstormed options including standing pat...all of which had risks.

Go West? Lots and lots of empty land to cross to get there. And once they do, an entrenched opposition to attempt to dislodge. Maybe they could form a partnership with the existing players. Tried that. Didn't work out.

Go South? Holy crap! Brutal competition everywhere you look. Not only that, "carpetbagger" still enjoys a rather poor reception in the region.

Go East? Little competition, that's for sure. Big potential market? Check. Problems? Plenty. Inertia to overcome. Little relevance in big time football since Roger Staubach left Navy. Got some selling to do there. What about product? Yeah, that's not a regional strength. Can't pluck some local brand names. Gonna have to build the product. That's gonna take time.

So the decision was go East and build or stand pat and sell their existing buggy whips for as long as people would buy them. Maryland and Rutgers tell us what decision they made. Rutgers (as, to a lesser degree, is Maryland) is a project. Rutgers is the B1G's Hasheem Thabeet. They expect Rutgers to pay off but realize some pigs need a whole lot of lipstick.

I don't believe the B1G has ventured east with a half-assed plan. Rutgers and Maryland aren't enough ammo. I think they have us and a Virginia school in their sights. That provides a platform to open up the East. That's a plan.

The last question is How? Shock and awe or set up an outpost first, learn some lessons, fine tune the approach? Again, Rutgers and Maryland answer that. The B1G East isn't ready for us yet. But the plan's still the plan.
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This makes a lot of sense to me. I'm in the corner with those who believe we are ultimately B1G-bound. It's just going to take some time for them to finalize the partner that joins with us. I agree it will likely be a VA school as there are no other quality candidates outside ourselves in the northeast corridor to choose from, outside of VA.

We just have to continue to do what we've been doing to best position ourselves for success. The STEM program, workings toward AAU status, continuing to schedule B1G opponents (I also believe this is not a coincidence), etc. While I understand time is not necessarily on our side, we just need to bide it and keep winning/improving until the partner is finalized.
 
Excalibur said:
You have heard it because it is 100% true. FSU and Clemson led the charge, and the neutral parties in the ACC feared what would happen if they did not acquiesce to the demands of the conference's 2 biggest football powers.
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The one thing I never did was question the validity of that conversation. It was explained very well...just was it has been in this thread recently. It's too bad that blame was placed on people who had ZERO control about what happened. If there is any blame to be placed it's on Hathaway for sitting back and not working to strengthen our standing when Pitt got in. That's all water under the bridge now...and the best thing about working toward a B1G type University is the strengthening of academics.
 
FDNY99 said:
If UCONN goes to the B1G I can actually see Maryland becoming a natural rival...between football, men's & women's basketball I can see it ramping up quickly.
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The Big Ten controlling the shoreline between Washington DC and Boston is insane. UConn/Rutgers/UMD/Penn State are immediate rivals, Penn State being a rival in hockey, at least.
 
UCONN13KC said:
I disagree. It was stupid even though UCONN is still in the gulag. There are many reasons/opinions which suggest UCONN vs. BC is much more valuable than BC alone. UCONN to either conference is a great loss to the other. This has been debated ad nauseam but to be fair, I think it can easily be seen as being stupid.
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I guess that would explain why you hear so many BC fans challenging their administration's position. Heck -- it would explain the Pope asking how a Catholic institution could do something that dumb when he spoke at the U.N.

Please don't get me wrong -- if and when we join the Big Ten, there will be BC fans asking if they screwed up. But at the moment, you don't see anyone but UConn fans even asking the question. There is a reason for that.
 
I think the only thing BC fans care about is BC, which is as it should be. I don't expect fans to care about other programs, tv rights, conference revenues, or any of that . But from a business standpoint, BC and UCONN in the same conference is more valuable than the route they chose. It was stupid.
 
FDNY99 said:
If UCONN goes to the B1G I can actually see Maryland becoming a natural rival...between football, men's & women's basketball I can see it ramping up quickly.
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Men's soccer, too, as UConn has 2 NCAA titles and Maryland has 3. Ditto for women's field hockey where Maryland has 8 titles and UConn has 4 (hopefully 5 after this season). In the future, fingers crossed, UConn can also develop a rivalry with Maryland in men's lax.
 
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Butch said:
The Big Ten controlling the shoreline between Washington DC and Boston is insane. UConn/Rutgers/UMD/Penn State are immediate rivals, Penn State being a rival in hockey, at least.
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For the first few years more likely than not, Penn St would crush UConn in football on the field. Then, 4 or so months later, UConn would return the favor on the hardwood, twice.

In between, I would gain all of the weight that I just lost acting an unofficial judge as to who has the best ice cream - UConn's Dairy Bar or Penn St's Creamary. To make sure that I was unbiased, I would have to take several trips to each campus to ensure I have a large enough of sampling to be sure of my selection.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
For the first few years more likely than not, Penn St would crush UConn in football on the field. Then, 4 or so months later, UConn would return the favor on the hardwood, twice.

In between, I would gain all of the weight that I just lost acting an unofficial judge as to who has the best ice cream - UConn's Dairy Bar or Penn St's Creamary. To make sure that I was unbiased, I would have to take several trips to each campus to ensure I have a large enough of sampling to be sure of my selection.
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Diaco is ready for it, he's already had the rivalry trophy made....
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I'd love it if we ended up in the B1G (obviously), and Cinci landed in the ACC. We could tell BC and SU to go suck each others richards, and schedule Cinci every few years as an ACC rival. If there is one other school I'd like to see end up P5 (after UConn) it's Cinci.
 
OkaForPrez said:
Took me 10 seconds of disbelief @nomar had written all of this to realize it wasn't written by nomar.
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Haha. I've seen that dude's posts and wondered for a second if there was some Fight Club/Mr. Robot thing going on in my head.

My comments on the conference realignment board are of the 10-word "sarcastic quip" variety.
 
If were in the B10, then why aren't we "in" yet? Are they holding out for a partner from the ACC/B12? I have a hard time believing you couldn't get anything else out of this person, I woulda been begging.
 
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Mr. Conehead said:
For the first few years more likely than not, Penn St would crush UConn in football on the field. Then, 4 or so months later, UConn would return the favor on the hardwood, twice.

In between, I would gain all of the weight that I just lost acting an unofficial judge as to who has the best ice cream - UConn's Dairy Bar or Penn St's Creamary. To make sure that I was unbiased, I would have to take several trips to each campus to ensure I have a large enough of sampling to be sure of my selection.
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As a PSU fan growing up (relatives had season tix to fb since 1930), PSU Creamery is a 9.95 (on a scale of 1-10), Dairy Bar 9.949; Both great for ice cream...
 
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Took me 10 seconds of disbelief @nomar had written all of this to realize it wasn't written by nomar.
Haha. I've seen that dude's posts and wondered for a second if there was some Fight Club/Mr. Robot thing going on in my head.

My comments on the conference realignment board are of the 10-word "sarcastic quip" variety.
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Speak kindly of me, Master.
 
HuskyDogArt said:
As a PSU fan growing up (relatives had season tix to fb since 1930), PSU Creamery is a 9.95 (on a scale of 1-10), Dairy Bar 9.949; Both great for ice cream...
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Oh, boy, this thread is about to go nuclear, maybe worse that the never ending debate on best pizza :cool:
 
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U.C.D.B. ice cream is SO good that they put Kathy John's out of business;). And K-J's ice cream (I believe that they were supplied by Newport Creamery) was no slouch either.
 
SAMCRO said:
Agree, and have heard the same from 2 unrelated people in 2 different AD's offices (one ours, one FSU). From UConn friend, nothing B1G was on the table at that time for UConn, and leadership was not happy about not being selected. Apparently there were early assurances given to UConn by some on Tobacco Rd, and they got trumped by FSU & Clemson predominantly, with UM and BC opposed to UConn also. From my FSU friend, supposedly Tobacco Road and UVa were pro-UConn; while FSU, Clem, UM, BC pro UL, and committed to not get UConn the votes necessary (so, willing to block any expansion unless they got their way). They were able to convince neutral parties to vote UL's way, and once Tobac Rd realized UConn wasn't going to happen, they worked out a compromise and voted UL (no clue what the compromise was). This was not about Jurich out-maneuvering WM and SH...as he liked to claim that UConn was "written in pen" initially...not true), this was determined inside the ACC and it was a power play between Tobacco Road and FSU & Clemson. The latter won out getting a southern school. For FSU & Clem it was not "personal" with UConn, it was about pushing back and not being dictated to by Tpbac Rd, for BC and UM it was personal. I don;t know if this is true or not, just what i was told.
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This fits with what Jeff Jacobs described from unnamed sources (presumably UConn trustees or similar level) at after UL got the invitation. I remember Jacobs mentioning that Herbst's office was trying to get Shalala to return a phone call to no avail. It's also clear from the record that Jurich's "penned in" comment was a case of patting himself on the back more than anything else. At least it led to endless boneyard threads about pina coladas and donuts. In the same vein Flipper's comment about BC's role in the decision was self-aggrandizing... if FSU had prefered UConn over Louisville, BC's voice would have been overruled easily.
 
junglehusky said:
This fits with what Jeff Jacobs described from unnamed sources (presumably UConn trustees or similar level) at after UL got the invitation. I remember Jacobs mentioning that Herbst's office was trying to get Shalala to return a phone call to no avail. It's also clear from the record that Jurich's "penned in" comment was a case of patting himself on the back more than anything else. At least it led to endless boneyard threads about pina coladas and donuts. In the same vein Flipper's comment about BC's role in the decision was self-aggrandizing... if FSU had prefered UConn over Louisville, BC's voice would have been overruled
easily.
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No doubt individuals who were sued personally by Blumenthal harbored resentment. Trouble was that they remained in power in the ACC when realignment decisions were made.

It was an unfortunate confluence of events that doomed our chances with the ACC. The individual defendants detested us, Hathaway and Pasqualoni were dismantling the football program and given our lack of history in football it just wasn' t going to happen. In addition, BC didn't want to compete with us. This agenda was well disguised because they could always point to the lawsuit.

Could Wards been more active? Sure, but did it make any difference? I doubt it.

Unlike Rutgers, our addition to any conference won't be driven solely by TV sets. We have to be the whole package. On the bright side, we're getting there and I think the B1G will work out. At that point, we'll realize it is the best spot for us.

Of course we would go to the ACC now in a heartbeat. But that is only because we are currently stuck in the AAC gulag.

The last few years have sucked watching lesser, undeserving schools enjoying big paydays. But, we'll get there and when we do, we'll be thrilled and take advantage of the opportunity.
 
coachcap said:
U.C.D.B. ice cream is SO good that they put Kathy John's out of business;). And K-J's ice cream (I believe that they were supplied by Newport Creamery) was no slouch either.
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That is not the only reason Kathy Johns went out of business, their food was completely inedible. One mouthful was enough, we left the food, but paid the bill and left
 
junglehusky said:
This fits with what Jeff Jacobs described from unnamed sources (presumably UConn trustees or similar level) at after UL got the invitation. I remember Jacobs mentioning that Herbst's office was trying to get Shalala to return a phone call to no avail. It's also clear from the record that Jurich's "penned in" comment was a case of patting himself on the back more than anything else. At least it led to endless boneyard threads about pina coladas and donuts. In the same vein Flipper's comment about BC's role in the decision was self-aggrandizing... if FSU had prefered UConn over Louisville, BC's voice would have been overruled easily.
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I believe I saw once that 2/3 majority is needed in the ACC to approve a new member and internal politics dictate that any formal announcement of a new member requires a unanimous decision.

At the time, the ACC had 11 members (excluding Maryland) with 3 pending members (ND, Syracuse & Pitt) with the belief that the 3 pending members did not have a vote at the time. Right off the bat, Florida St, Clemson, Miami, and BC were against UConn. Plus, Syracuse would likely been whispering in people's ears that they were against UConn, too, with Pitt doing whatever Syracuse told them to do as they saved their arse.

So before the proposal to add UConn even reached the table, UConn likely 7 votes for and 4 votes against, which may or may not provide 2/3 majority depending how one rounds the numbers. Throw on the fact that 2 of the conference's new members would also be against UConn and the timing of the NCAA ban (frack u, Syracuse hypocrites), UConn's chance at the ACC was doomed before it even began.

Thus, Louisville, which is as much a basektball school as UConn, was able to market itself to the FSU 7 Clemson block and with UConn doomed, it became unanimous to add them instead.

Could have UConn done a better job marketing itself to the ACC? Yes. Would it have made a difference. No. If CT has not sued BC and Miami presidents in 2004, would it have helped? Maybe, but, Miami would side with Florida St and Clemson while BC (and Syracuse) would continue to be afraid of UConn's potential (and still is). The only way that UConn could have won out is if ND came along and said, UConn or we won't join; but, ND only looks after ND and no one else.
 
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Mr. Conehead said:
I believe I saw once that 2/3 majority is needed in the ACC to approve a new member and internal politics dictate that any formal announcement of a new member requires a unanimous decision.

At the time, the ACC had 11 members (excluding Maryland) with 3 pending members (ND, Syracuse & Pitt) with the belief that the 3 pending members did not have a vote at the time. Right off the bat, Florida St, Clemson, Miami, and BC were against UConn. Plus, Syracuse would likely been whispering in people's ears that they were against UConn, too, with Pitt doing whatever Syracuse told them to do as they saved their arse.

So before the proposal to add UConn even reached the table, UConn likely 7 votes for and 4 votes against, which may or may not provide 2/3 majority depending how one rounds the numbers. Throw on the fact that 2 of the conference's new members would also be against UConn and the timing of the NCAA ban (frack u, Syracuse hypocrites), UConn's chance at the ACC was doomed before it even began.

Thus, Louisville, which is as much a basektball school as UConn, was able to market itself to the FSU 7 Clemson block and with UConn doomed, it became unanimous to add them instead.

Could have UConn done a better job marketing itself to the ACC? Yes. Would it have made a difference. No. If CT has not sued BC and Miami presidents in 2004, would it have helped? Maybe, but, Miami would side with Florida St and Clemson while BC (and Syracuse) would continue to be afraid of UConn's potential (and still is). The only way that UConn could have won out is if ND came along and said, UConn or we won't join; but, ND only looks after ND and no one else.
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I still think the lawsuit hurt us especially in 2011 - people don't like being sued.

Thanks, though for reminding me about Syracuse. I think they are jealous as hell of us. It bears repeating - they being compared to UConn. Why? Because UConn is a superior school, trending better and better that costs less than half of what Syracuse costs. In addition, UConn has totally out shined Syracuse in athletics. The last thing those insecure bastards want is us in the same conference out performing them at 40% of the cost.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Oh, boy, this thread is about to go nuclear, maybe worse that the never ending debate on best pizza :cool:
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A debate on best hamburgers? The Bernice Classic Cheeseburger at Shady Glen or the Steamed Burger at Ted's...
 
coachcap said:
U.C.D.B. ice cream is SO good that they put Kathy John's out of business;). And K-J's ice cream (I believe that they were supplied by Newport Creamery) was no slouch either.
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Kathy John's is out of business? :( What is there now?
 
uconnell said:
That is not the only reason Kathy Johns went out of business, their food was completely inedible. One mouthful was enough, we left the food, but paid the bill and left
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There food was all over the place, sometimes, it was good, other times, garbage.
 
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