Michael Young retires.

[Deepster]

Congrats on having Derek Jeter's career in obscurity for the Rangers. If he only played his career with an unlimited payroll and Mariano Rivera coming out of the pen.......

 

[sinkhole]

Congrats on having Derek Jeter's career in obscurity for the Rangers. If he only played his career with an unlimited payroll and Mariano Rivera coming out of the pen..

Young and Jeter are both fine players and gentlemen but pale in comparison to the great Kazmir!

 

[zyron]

And congrats to Jeff Francoeur for continuing to have David Wrights career in obscurity.

 

[Cheddie]

Nice to leave right at .300 for his career.

 

[Deepster]

I love how in 2006, their numbers are practically identical across most categories, but Jeter was 2nd in the MVP vote and Young was 30th. Classic.

 

[superjohn]

Congrats on having Derek Jeter's career in obscurity for the Rangers. If he only played his career with an unlimited payroll and Mariano Rivera coming out of the pen..

Michael Young had a great career but do you really think he had the same career as Jeter?

 

[mauconnfan]

I love how in 2006, their numbers are practically identical across most categories, but Jeter was 2nd in the MVP vote and Young was 30th. Classic.

Yeah the 14 HR's were the same and the Young had him by 6 RBI's…….

Jeter batted .343 Young .314 -
practically identical
Jeter OBP - .417 Young .356 -
practically identical
Jeter WAR 5.5 Young 3.8 -
practically identical
Jeter OPS 900 Young 8181 -
practically identical


Listen Young was really good and there's an argument if he played in NYC he may have been as good if not real close……but Deep you can do better than 2006. I agree Young probably shouldn't have been 30th but he also wasn't as good as Jeter that year who deserved where he was and probably better!

 

[Deepster]

I notice you left out a few categories:

Hits - Young 217, Jeter 214
Doubles - Young 52, Jeter 39
HRs - Both with 14
RBI - Young 103, Jeter 97
BB/K - Young 48/97, Jeter 69/102

Listen to what I said again. Jeter was 2nd in MVP voting that year and Young was 30th. Behind AJ Pierzynski and Gary Matthews Jr.

 

[Deepster]

Just for kicks. Jeter started playing full time in 1996 at age 22. Young in 2002 at 25.

If you take Young's career (2002-2013 - 12 seasons) and Jeter's 12 seasons from 1996 to 2007, here's some of the combined numbers.

Games - Young 1,862, Jeter 1,820
At Bats - Young 7,530, Jeter 7,381
Hits - Young 2,279, Jeter 2,344 (Diff of 65 hits or 5 per season)
Doubles - Young 423, Jeter 382
Triples - Young 56, Jeter 53
HR's - Young 174, Jeter 195
RBI - Young 981, Jeter 926

I dunno. Seems like when Young played, he looks an awful lot like him in the numbers. Granted, I know Jeter's postseason and longevity created a gap that Young can't touch....but wow. For Young's career? Is he underrated or is Jeter overrated?

 

[superjohn]

Just for kicks. Jeter started playing full time in 1996 at age 22. Young in 2002 at 25.

If you take Young's career (2002-2013 - 12 seasons) and Jeter's 12 seasons from 1996 to 2007, here's some of the combined numbers.

Games - Young 1,862, Jeter 1,820
At Bats - Young 7,530, Jeter 7,381
Hits - Young 2,279, Jeter 2,344 (Diff of 65 hits or 5 per season)
Doubles - Young 423, Jeter 382
Triples - Young 56, Jeter 53
HR's - Young 174, Jeter 195
RBI - Young 981, Jeter 926

I dunno. Seems like when Young played, he looks an awful lot like him in the numbers. Granted, I know Jeter's postseason and longevity created a gap that Young can't touch....but wow. For Young's career? Is he underrated or is Jeter overrated?

That's nice and all but Michael Young had 9 really good years and Jeter had 17. Also you can't just ignore what an amazing postseason career Jeter has had while Young's is pretty much nonexistent. Again Young had a really good career and is a bit underrated but in no way did he have the same career as Jeter, it's not even close.

 

[Deepster]

That's nice and all but Michael Young had 9 really good years and Jeter had 17. Also you can't just ignore what an amazing postseason career Jeter has had while Young's is pretty much nonexistent. Again Young had a really good career and is a bit underrated but in no way did he have the same career as Jeter, it's not even close.

No doubt, Jeter has played longer and, until recently, been very healthy. And that gives him the huge advantage in total hits over a career. Much like an Eddie Murray type longevity stat accumulation.

The postseason isn't Young's fault. Jeter played on the right quarter billion dollar team at the right time. During the same span of Young's career, he put the same numbers up as Jeter. That's all I'm saying.

 

[superjohn]

Fair enough.

 

[zyron]

No doubt, Jeter has played longer and, until recently, been very healthy. And that gives him the huge advantage in total hits over a career. Much like an Eddie Murray type longevity stat accumulation.

The postseason isn't Young's fault. Jeter played on the right quarter billion dollar team at the right time. During the same span of Young's career, he put the same numbers up as Jeter. That's all I'm saying.

Then why is Jeter's WAR over that time 58.1 and Young's 24.1? Are those numbers biased because Jeter played in NY?

 

[Deepster]

Sorry. Don't know what WAR is.

 

[G0UCONN]

All I know is....what is it good for?....absolutely nothin.

 

[mauconnfan]

All that crap means little except to some Einstein genius who never played the game………..

Is he a good hitter, does he get big hits on occasion, can he run, throw and make some plays? That's all that matters…..and does he have respect of his peers.

 

[Waquoit]

Is he a good hitter, does he get big hits on occasion, can he run, throw and make some plays? That's all that matters…..and does he have respect of his peers.

And intangibles, does the guy in question have the intangibles?

 

[Danzz]

All that crap means little except to some Einstein genius who never played the game………..

Is he a good hitter, does he get big hits on occasion, can he run, throw and make some plays? That's all that matters…..and does he have respect of his peers.

That pretty much covers it.