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[huskymedic]

During the 2017 football season I read that Syracuse University paid Middle Tennessee over $1M to play a football game at SU.

Does anyone know approximately how much money UConn is paid to play an away game at a P5 School ?

For example, next season UConn plays away games at Illinois, Indiana, UVA and Ole Miss. Approximately how much money will UCoo be be paid each of those games.

On the flip side, UConn will have a home game against visiting Maine. Any idea approximately what sum UConn will pay Maine ?

Thanks.

A lot of the info is here: Game contracts reveal details about UConn football scheduling in 2020 and beyond

 

[Husky25]

I have zero desire or need to rehash the realignment arguments of ol'.

The more I read between the lines in this article, I more I find myself able to get on board with UConn being a trailblazer to shake up the conference structure. IMO, the TV money train has left the station and, for at least two - perhaps three - of the five P5 conferences, it's probably a one way ticket out of town.

The NCAA is already facing a mountain of issues that challenge its stranglehold on the purse strings of "amateur" athletics. The next round of realignment has the potential to completely blow up the framework.

 

[Husky25]

UConn didn't play D1 when BCU defected to the ACC with Miami.

I don't think this is 100% accurate. UConn was a transitioning program in 2000-2001, and were not supposed to enter the Big East until 2005. They were supposed to be full D1A level Independent for three seasons, but the BC, VT, and The U defection accelerated their Big East admission by one year.

 

[CL82]

I don't think this is 100% accurate. UConn was a transitioning program in 2000-2001, and were not supposed to enter the Big East until 2005. They were supposed to be full D1A level Independent for three seasons, but the BC, VT, and The U defection accelerated their Big East admission by one year.

Yep you are correct. We had just transitioned to D 1-A from 1-AA. Also BCU left after Miami and VaTech.

See posts above for the details.

 

[CL82]

A lot of the info is here: Game contracts reveal details about UConn football scheduling in 2020 and beyond

Here is the full breakdown of payments attached to each 2020 matchup:

vs. UMass - UConn pays $150,000

at Illinois - UConn collects $200,000

vs. Indiana - UConn pays $300,000

at Ole Miss - n/a

vs. Liberty - UConn pays $250,000

at San Jose State - UConn collects $200,000

vs. Army - UConn pays $200,000

at Virginia - UConn collects $400,000

vs. Maine - UConn pays $280,500

So we're in the red about $350k but normally we'd be up by $1.2M. Obviously attendance will give us at least some of the pay game money back.

Still, good job by the AD to put together a solid schedule on short notice. Anyone have any idea when we will know if SNY is going give us a TV deal?

 

[huskymedic]

Here is the full breakdown of payments attached to each 2020 matchup:

vs. UMass - UConn pays $150,000

at Illinois - UConn collects $200,000

vs. Indiana - UConn pays $300,000

at Ole Miss - n/a

vs. Liberty - UConn pays $250,000

at San Jose State - UConn collects $200,000

vs. Army - UConn pays $200,000

at Virginia - UConn collects $400,000

vs. Maine - UConn pays $280,500

So we're in the red about $350k but normally we'd be up by $1.2M. Obviously attendance will give us at least some of the pay game money back.

>>The games against UMass, Illinois, Indiana, Liberty, San Jose State and Army are all part of home-and-home series. In each case, the home team pays the visiting team the same amount for each matchup, meaning the costs eventually even out. For example, UConn will get back its $250,000 from Liberty when the teams play at Liberty in 2023.

Overall, UConn’s nine announced 2020 games will cost the school $380,500 in total (a figure that could decrease somewhat once the final games are announced).<<

 

[CL82]

>>The games against UMass, Illinois, Indiana, Liberty, San Jose State and Army are all part of home-and-home series. In each case, the home team pays the visiting team the same amount for each matchup, meaning the costs eventually even out. For example, UConn will get back its $250,000 from Liberty when the teams play at Liberty in 2023.

Overall, UConn’s nine announced 2020 games will cost the school $380,500 in total (a figure that could decrease somewhat once the final games are announced).<<

Don't think netting them across fiscal years.

 

[huskyrob1]

BCU didn't have enough heft to do anything. Our problem was ACC heavyweights Clemson and FSU neither of which recruits students from the northeast and both of which had reservations about our football program. BCU snuck into the ACC in Miami's butt. The idea that had the muscle to "black ball" UConn is a myth.

Three people were the reasons we are not in the ACC today, Donna Shalalla, Gene DeFilipo, and Paul Dee. Warde Manuel, and Jeff Hathaway also negatively played roles in the way they marketed Uconn. Hathaway was the idiot in residence the first time, and Warde was here when they took Louisville over us. Keep in mind that UConn was not the only school to bring a lawsuit the first go round, Rutgers, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Pittsburgh, also filed lawsuits, against the ACC, Miami, and Boston College.

 

[DefCONNOne]

Thank you. Everyone knew BC didn't want us in the ACC, and yet the Tobacco Road core schools were telling us we'd be in. It was only when the football schools demanded a school that would help their SOS to come in that we were screwed.

Okay we've taken care of 2012. Now do 2011.

 

[CL82]

If student demographics were the main criteria for getting into the ACC, CT and the Northeast would have helped UConn get into the ACC over Louisville.

You are not correct about the ACC schools recruiting students from the Northeast. If you have high school/college age kids, Southern schools have become more attractive to Northeastern kids. In fact, look at where Clemson undergrads come from:

1. South Carolina: 12,906
2. North Carolina: 1038 (+18 in last 3 years)
3. Georgia: 793 (+97 in last 3 years)
4. New Jersey: 570 (+86)
5. Virginia: 498 (+37)
6. NY: 380 (+130)
7. Maryland: 350 (-82)
8. Florida: 334 (+37)
9. Pennsylvania: 324 (+37)
10. Massachusetts: 309 (+12)
11. Connecticut: 239 (+31)

Here are the ACC undergrads by state of origin:

Miami: #2 NY, #3 NJ, #4 MA, #8 CT, #10 PA
Syracuse: #1 NY, #2 NJ, #3 MA, #4 PA, #6 CT
Florida St.: #5 PA, #6 NJ, #7 NY, #9 CT
Duke: #3 NY, #5 NJ.
Wake Forest: #3 NJ, #4 NY, #6 MA, #7 CT, #7 PA
Miami: #2 NY, #3 NJ, #7 CT, #9 PA
BC: #1 MA, #2 NY, #3 NJ, #4 CT, #6 PA
Virginia Tech: #3 NJ, #4 PA, #6 NY, #7 MA, #8 CT
North Carolina: #3 NY, #7 NJ, #9 PA
NC State: #4 PA, #6 NY, #7 NJ #10 MA
Pitt: #1 PA, #2 NY, #3 NJ, #8 MA
Virginia: #3 NJ, #4 NY, #5 PA, #9 CT
Louisville: #5 PA, #6 NJ, #8 NY

Out of the 14 ACC schools, Connecticut is in the top 10 state of origin of 9 schools (I included Clemson). Massachusetts is in top 10 for 8 schools. New York and New Jersey are in the top 10 of all 14 ACC schools.

Haha Look at Jersey dumping college kids into every school on the list.

 

[Adios]

Actually...the ACC Expansion Committee in 2011 WAS NOT a three member committee..


"Swofford dubbed the panel "4x4x4," so named because it includes four athletic directors, four presidents and four athletic department faculty representatives. That's 12 members, one from each of the ACC's current schools."

Teel Time: Here's the ACC expansion committee the conference tried to keep secret

Commissioner applauded panel's work but declined to reveal its members

www.dailypress.com

These extraordinary people chose Syracuse over UConn? Did any actually visit Syracuse before the vote?

 

[billybud]

These extraordinary people chose Syracuse over UConn? Did any actually visit Syracuse before the vote?

Didn't really need to...but did.

Miami, Boston College, and Syracuse were the original schools that the ACC had been pursuing to form a 12 team league.

Syracuse was supposed to be the first addition as Shalala's bride price to get Miami. The Virginia Governor's blackmail to get VT in the ACC slowed down Cuse's addition.

"We are very appreciative of the invitation from the ACC to join the conference," Shalala said in a statement. "We are disappointed that they have decided not to issue invitations to Boston College and Syracuse. This is a new proposal; we will have to study it before making a decision."

 

[billybud]

"The ACC last month announced plans to try to expand. Miami is the linchpin of the deal, and if the Hurricanes go, Boston College and Syracuse are expected to follow.

ACC representatives have visited all three campuses and a final decision on expansion is expected soon."

 

[SubbaBub]

Cuse was willing to let Miami and VT go as they were not OG-BE and committed to growing BE FB. BC did the same and then stabbed the conference in the back. If the exodus stopped with the first two, history would have been different.

 

[Padutch5]

I think there were factors out of our control that hurt us.

BCU's black balling us in the conference that makes the most geographic sense for us cost us. I'm not sure there was a whole lot we could have done about that.

“Not a whole lot we could have done about that”
Thou forgets the role our fearless attorney general, “Sue em all” played in this. Our attorney general, ex military hero, and his lawsuit is believed to have had a major impact in turning the tide against UCONN.

 

[Adios]

These schools learned quick from Penn State joining the Big Ten and saw a flawed model in the Big East. I guess that's all there is to it.

It's funny how they make moves to maximize profit and it isn't the students who see the profit. Besides their living standards going up.

 

[CL82]

“Not a whole lot we could have done about that”
Thou forgets the role our fearless attorney general, “Sue em all” played in this. Our attorney general, ex military hero, and his lawsuit is believed to have had a major impact in turning the tide against UCONN.

Yeah, while I would’ve rather Bloomy hadn’t played this quite so self-aggrandizing, BCU’s AD made it clear that this was “a matter of turf“ and that they want to be the “New England school.“ They were never going to embrace our during the conference.

 

[DefCONNOne]

“Not a whole lot we could have done about that”
Thou forgets the role our fearless attorney general, “Sue em all” played in this. Our attorney general, ex military hero, and his lawsuit is believed to have had a major impact in turning the tide against UCONN.

His role in the lawsuit, and its impact, was diminshed significantly when Pitt was invited.

Nice try, though.

 

[jayfromfla]

His role in the lawsuit, and its impact, was diminshed significantly when Pitt was invited.

Nice try, though.

You need to check your facts. Pitt did not go to ACC till 2013. by then the idiot state lawyer who po'd the ACC was in the senate. He was the lightening rod that hurt us with the ACC and leaving BE teams

 

[Nostical]

His (Blumenthal’s) role in the lawsuit was diminshed significantly.

I beg to differ. While his actions weren’t the only cause of our rejection, we should never diminish them either. Blumenthal’s taking control of the lawsuit from both a legal strategy standpoint (suing several University presidents individually) and commandeering media cameras and microphones (largely for his own aggrandizement) morphed the BE lawsuit into the “Connecticut lawsuit”. This created a huge negative impression of UConn on the decision makers in the ACC—an extremely visceral one for some—and drained us of whatever goodwill we could draw upon in the final deliberations.

 

[uconnbill]

Didn't really need to...but did.

Miami, Boston College, and Syracuse were the original schools that the ACC had been pursuing to form a 12 team league.

Syracuse was supposed to be the first addition as Shalala's bride price to get Miami. The Virginia Governor's blackmail to get VT in the ACC slowed down Cuse's addition.

"We are very appreciative of the invitation from the ACC to join the conference," Shalala said in a statement. "We are disappointed that they have decided not to issue invitations to Boston College and Syracuse. This is a new proposal; we will have to study it before making a decision."

But Pitt wasn't

 

[CL82]

I beg to differ. While his actions weren’t the only cause of our rejection, we should never diminish them either. Blumenthal’s taking control of the lawsuit from both a legal strategy standpoint (suing several University presidents individually) and commandeering media cameras and microphones (largely for his own aggrandizement) morphed the BE lawsuit into the “Connecticut lawsuit”. This created a huge negative impression of UConn on the decision makers in the ACC—an extremely visceral one for some—and drained us of whatever goodwill we could draw upon in the final deliberations.

Yeah this just isn't accurate. BCU was not going to want us in the ACC whether we sent them flowers. We know that from their ADs comments. If the lawsuit was a big deal they wouldn't have offerred Pitt. Likewise, SH heard that we were in from ACC contacts. We lost that bid because FSU decided to flex its muscle versus Tobacco road. On the other hand the lawsuit prevented 'cuse from leaving earlier and got us an extra million dollars.

 

[billybud]

Nope...it was football...

From 2012 Dog House...And the Director of Scouting for Fox Sports Net put his finger on it.

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While UConn's sports have ardent support, football trails both the men's and women's basketball teams. And since all this conference reshuffling is about football -- and the money that comes with it -- that's a huge problem. And it's not clear that will change anytime soon.

"UConn faces challenges with a lack of local talent, interest in professional sports regionally, a more popular game [basketball] on its own campus ... so wherever the Huskies end up, there will be challenges no matter what," said Scott Kennedy, director of scouting for Fox Sports Net, via the Courant.

 

[Husky25]

Lets bring this thread back on topic. Dave Brown helped put a scheduled together for UConn that barely pales to BYU (In terms of # of P5 opponents, if nothing else.) in less than 5 months (Announcement came at the end of June.).

 

[Husky92]

Lets bring this thread back on topic. Dave Brown helped put a scheduled together for UConn that barely pales to BYU (In terms of # of P5 opponents, if nothing else.) in less than 5 months (Announcement came at the end of June.).

It's too bad that Indiana is the only P5 at home, but given the super short time to put it together, it is pretty incredible.
Additionally, he pulled off 7 home games. That's great under the circumstances.

 

[huskymedic]