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I posted a couple weeks ago when they came out with the initial McD AA list that Walker and Coombs were locks, that Gordon had a good chance but I didn't think AEH would make it. All based on their rankings. McD's goes pretty much by the Overall Rankings (combined). As I noted they also look at positions, cause they have to play an actual game. So you need Gs, Ws, Fs, Ps. Sometimes you have to go down the list to get them. This year they had to go a little deep down the list to get the Ps.

They did, however (it seems anyway) went down the list for geography also. They skipped East coast guards/wings (Boykin - NC , AEH - NY, Grissett - NC) to pick two guards from CA (Littleton and Smith). They pretty much divided the teams East and West actually geographically. (for the most part)
 
BRS24 said:
Mike Flynn (Blue Star), posted something last night on twitter about "issues" with McD AA, so wondering if the other all star lists will be significantly different?
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Can't remember a time when Mike did not have "issues" with the McD AA selections. Usually Mike is on one end or the other of the issue-creating it or resolving it.
 
meyers7 said:
I posted a couple weeks ago when they came out with the initial McD AA list that Walker and Coombs were locks, that Gordon had a good chance but I didn't think AEH would make it. All based on their rankings. McD's goes pretty much by the Overall Rankings (combined). As I noted they also look at positions, cause they have to play an actual game. So you need Gs, Ws, Fs, Ps. Sometimes you have to go down the list to get them. This year they had to go a little deep down the list to get the Ps.
They did, however (it seems anyway) went down the list for geography also. They skipped East coast guards/wings (Boykin - NC , AEH - NY, Grissett - NC) to pick two guards from CA (Littleton and Smith). They pretty much divided the teams East and West actually geographically. (for the most part)
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I hate it when people don't listen to you!
 
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MikeR01950 said:
I could care less about football or men's basketball and your Duke mens program how they doing this year with all that talent?? Bunch of rich silver spoon cry babies worst men's program around!!! Your pathetic
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"You're" or "You are" would be correct, in the above-referenced sentence.

#DukeGrad
#WaitingTablesAtFancierRestaurants
 
HuskyFan1125 said:
Here we go.....

I want to preface this that I am assuming that all RS Juniors return and nobody leaves early for the WNBA draft! If they declare or leave early I will remove them.. (additions are in RED)

1. Tennessee (9)--Cooper, Middleton, Nared, DeShields, Russell, Davis, Hayes, Kushkituah, Westbrook.

2. Lousivlle (8)--Johnson, Shook, Durr, Fuehring, Hines-Allen, Moore, Evans, Kakala
Notre Dame (8)--Boley, Young Mabrey, Ogunbowale, Patberg, Westbeld, Turner, Patterson
Texas (8)--Holmes, Higgs, Hosey, White, Atkins, McCarty, Booth, Patterson

5. UCONN (6)--Dangerfield, Samuelson, Collier, Williams, Coombs, Walker
Baylor (6)--Chou, Cox, Mompremier, Brown, Morris, Richards
Maryland (6)--Charles, Watson Slocum, Fraser, Gillespie, Small
Duke (6)--Odom, Lambert, Belton, Brown, Greenwell, Williams

9. Stanford (5)--Carrington, Fingall, Johnson, Dodson, Williams
UCLA (5)--Corsaro, Hearn, Canada, Drummer, Onyenwere
Ohio State (5)--McCoy, Calhoun, Mitchell, Mavunga, Harper

12. Southern California (4)--Edwards, Adams, Clark, Littleton

13. California (3)--Anigwe, Cowling, Smith
South Carolina (3)--Cuevas-Moore, Wilson, Davis
North Carolina (3)--Walker, Watts, Bailey

16. Florida State (2)--Thomas, White
Michigan State (2)--Reimer, Cooks



Teams with 1 McDonald's AA in 2017-2018

Texas Christian (TCU)
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Harvard
Oregon
Vanderbilt
Penn State
Georgia
Kentucky
Washington
Missouri
Texas Tech
Rutgers
Kansas
LSU
Texas A&M
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Alecia Sutton Texas and Anna Wilson Stanford, made the rosters for 2016.
 
Go/huskies said:
Alecia Sutton Texas and Anna Wilson Stanford, made the rosters for 2016.
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Yes. They were on my original list. Not sure what happened. I will have to update anyway as I have gotten some PMs about "rumors" of people not returning next season. I will likely put out a new spreadsheet this summer. Besides. We need some summer convo!
 
HuskyFan1125 said:
Yes. They were on my original list. Not sure what happened. I will have to update anyway as I have gotten some PMs about "rumors" of people not returning next season. I will likely put out a new spreadsheet this summer. Besides. We need some summer convo!
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You should not listen to rumors, I can personally guarantee you that some players will not return next year. :D
 
mtsuraider06 said:
You're*

I guess Northerners make grammatical errors too, just like us lowly uneducated Southerners.
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Seriously your going to correct me a simple mistake we have so much more to worry about in today's world and your going to correct my spelling... U must be a Harvard grad!!! Seriously get a life!!
 
Back on topic - the real problem with rankings and McD's selection is that the universe they are dealing with and the geography is so dispersed, and the money involved for those trying to rank or select so minimal that no one can pretend to evaluate everyone at the high school level - you are left evaluating on box scores (also incredibly sparse and hard to collate), AAU team selection process for the big travel teams which are the ones most frequently seen, and the team selection process for the traveling HS teams which also get seen.

The change USA basketball made by allowing U16 (and U17?) prospects to pay their own way to trials is a recognition of that issue, and the results have been positive in broadening the exposure of a number of kids who have performed better than those 30+ invitees USA has selected in a process similar but a little broader than AA selections. It still limits based on cash in hand because the expenses are probably beyond a bunch of HS ballers, but it is better than what came before.
 
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UcMiami said:
You know, it is a nice honor to get as a HS kid, but it really signifies less than whichever HS ranking system you subscribe to, or all of them combined, and they are notoriously inaccurate in general for predicting college performance.

It is sort of like 'winning the off-season' in a professional sport - most of those winners don't actually perform very well when the winning actually is tied to a score in the actual games.
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Umm, let me parse this so you can give me clarity I I got lost on your comment. There are 24 Players, so for a 4 yr rolling, that's 96 players on current college eligibility ignoring RS or Transfers. Of course than 96 players won't make the college AA list but by a conference standard most will. Some of course peak early, others later. It's a snap shot in time. Of better correlation is the USA 16U, 17U and 19U teams for performance prediction.
 
HuskyFan1125 said:
Here we go.....

I want to preface this that I am assuming that all RS Juniors return and nobody leaves early for the WNBA draft! If they declare or leave early I will remove them.. (additions are in RED)

1. Tennessee (9)--Cooper, Middleton, Nared, DeShields, Russell, Davis, Hayes, Kushkituah, Westbrook.

2. Lousivlle (8)--Johnson, Shook, Durr, Fuehring, Hines-Allen, Moore, Evans, Kakala
Notre Dame (8)--Boley, Young Mabrey, Ogunbowale, Patberg, Westbeld, Turner, Patterson
Texas (8)--Holmes, Higgs, Hosey, White, Atkins, McCarty, Booth, Patterson

5. UCONN (6)--Dangerfield, Samuelson, Collier, Williams, Coombs, Walker
Baylor (6)--Chou, Cox, Mompremier, Brown, Morris, Richards
Maryland (6)--Charles, Watson Slocum, Fraser, Gillespie, Small
Duke (6)--Odom, Lambert, Belton, Brown, Greenwell, Williams

9. Stanford (5)--Carrington, Fingall, Johnson, Dodson, Williams
UCLA (5)--Corsaro, Hearn, Canada, Drummer, Onyenwere
Ohio State (5)--McCoy, Calhoun, Mitchell, Mavunga, Harper

12. Southern California (4)--Edwards, Adams, Clark, Littleton

13. California (3)--Anigwe, Cowling, Smith
South Carolina (3)--Cuevas-Moore, Wilson, Davis
North Carolina (3)--Walker, Watts, Bailey

16. Florida State (2)--Thomas, White
Michigan State (2)--Reimer, Cooks



Teams with 1 McDonald's AA in 2017-2018

Texas Christian (TCU)
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Harvard
Oregon
Vanderbilt
Penn State
Georgia
Kentucky
Washington
Missouri
Texas Tech
Rutgers
Kansas
LSU
Texas A&M
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Your list is great to put the selections improper perspective. Obviously, it's a good thing to have talented and accomplished players. But if the number of McD AA selections was the determining factor, UConn would not be #1. The list though the current season suggests that UConn, FSU, Baylor, and SC are overachievers and Tennessee, Louisville, and Texas are underachievers.
 
This is the public opinion of the McDonalds All American game where the perception of actual talent is least impactful on making the team

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MikeR01950 said:
Seriously your going to correct me a simple mistake we have so much more to worry about in today's world and your going to correct my spelling... U must be a Harvard grad!!! Seriously get a life!!
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I find it ironic that you now take this stance considering how much angst you are exhibiting over the pushback you are getting on your rather obnoxious post of "who cares". Triad had provided significant insight to us BYers on numerous players while you provided nothing but a rather negative tone. So yes, we are mocking you. Lighten up Francis!
 
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triaddukefan said:
Lucky for me Im a fan of the Duke Football an MCBB program as well. Hows the UCONN football program looking these days? MCBB ? :cool:
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Really. You're going to pull that crap ? You do know that there is literally no difference between the history of Duke or UConn football and that when the games have mattered, the UConn men are 2-0 against Duke in the Final Four.
 
Charliebball said:
This is the public opinion of the McDonalds All American game where the perception of actual talent is least impactful on making the team

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It is an interesting poll, but ... how does one define 'actual talent' and isn't that really what National Ranking is really trying to do as well - define the actual talent, a flawed process but one that no one seems to be able to better. What I am sort of saying is that the last two should be combined into a single line with 47%. It is still interesting that people taking the poll still think that at less than 50%, and College Choice and Travel Team pretty much split the 53%.

Has anybody actually checked the AAs vs. HG or any of the other rankings - I assume the top 15 are represented, and then ... I could see them needing to start selecting some players by position to balance the actual teams on the floor.

People do like conspiracy theories.
 
Having been trained in 6 Sigma, the sample size of 93 respondents is insignificant as it lends itself to direct biases of audience, voter reoccurrence, voter ignorance and article preamble that may have already "poisoned" the poll. Is the process perfect? It's subjective so of course the process isn't perfect. As noted, McDonald's is driven by a game so it needs two rosters of logical positions-PG, SG, SF, PF, C. One of the things I have noticed in watching WCBB these past 17 years is the Travel Team players have more polish to their games and can contribute almost immediately-Crystal Dangerfield vs. Kyla as an example. It is pretty tough for non-travel to catch up on game speed, travel and intensity in the first half or even the first full season of College hoop. Also 3 of the options already assess "Talent" in their evaluations- travel teams will only take their view of talent, colleges only sign their view of talent and National Rankings like Prospect Nation, Hoop Gurlz or USA Basketball all try their hand at assessing. Also note some peak early, some peak late, some lose interest and some suffer injuries that limit their development. Seems to me that KLS, Asia Durr, Napheesa were all top 10 coming out and have shown me they were Evaluated correctly. Lauren Cox, Crystal Dangerfield and Joyner Holmes from last year also look like the real deals.
 
So I went ahead and compared this list to HG:
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1. Red - Horvat is Australian so wasn't under consideration
2. Purple - top 24 Americans not selected (1-25)
3. Green - not in top 25 selected to teams.
Caveat - I only used HG, and it would probably be better to use an average of the HS rankings because there are always strange anomalous rankings for specific players - e.g. Kushkitauh who had been very highly ranked in HG initially (top 10 I think) and then dropped drastically maybe two years ago, but has retained a much higher ranking in other services.

What stands out to me is:
1. 20 of the top 24 americans in HG rankings are included - that is really close correlation and I would expect a similar result from the other services as well or from an average of all services.

2. The top 18 Americans in HG rankings made the team. The first in their ranking to not make the team is ranked 20/19 for Americans.

3. Of the four selected outside the top 24, three are centers - team balancing one suspects and they are three of the next five post prospects in HG. The fourth player is a guard ranked by HG at 33 replacing the highest ranked player not selected, another guard ranked #20. When you get outside the top 15 rankings for the 1000s of HS players, the rankings are going to start fluctuating quite a bit - a difference in 5-10 positions in ranking is not going to be that uncommon. Just as when you rank college teams in a pool of 350, the evaluations of teams outside the top ten start fluctuating significantly and when you get outside the top 20 it gets really confusing.

So whatever the perception of the public, the evaluation process for McD AA seems to follow closely the evaluation of HS talent generally, and while we all know that depends on exposure, which means traveling teams (HS and AAU), that is a given based on the nationwide nature of the beast, the volume of players to be evaluated, the wide diversity of competition, and the limited funds of those doing evaluations.
 

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UcMiami said:
Has anybody actually checked the AAs vs. HG or any of the other rankings - I assume the top 15 are represented, and then ... I could see them needing to start selecting some players by position to balance the actual teams on the floor.
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Yes if you compare the McD's AA vs rankings (combined rankings - Bluestar/Prospect Nation/Hoopgurlz/ASGR) the first 14 ranked players make it. Then 16 and 17. Then the lower ranked players 21-24, 26, 27 are pretty much all Posts. As I said somewhere in this thread or a similar one on here, the McD's is a game, so they have to get PG/G/W/F/Ps to make the game playable. Not just the top 24 kids. But it pretty much follows the rankings.

Littleton and Kiana Smith are the lowest ranked (29 and 31). But they are from CA and are on the West team. As opposed to AEH and Boykin who are eastcoast. ???? That might have played into it also.
 
meyers7 said:
Yes if you compare the McD's AA vs rankings (combined rankings - Bluestar/Prospect Nation/Hoopgurlz/ASGR) the first 14 ranked players make it. Then 16 and 17. Then the lower ranked players 21-24, 26, 27 are pretty much all Posts. As I said somewhere in this thread or a similar one on here, the McD's is a game, so they have to get PG/G/W/F/Ps to make the game playable. Not just the top 24 kids. But it pretty much follows the rankings.

Littleton and Kiana Smith are the lowest ranked (29 and 31). But they are from CA and are on the West team. As opposed to AEH and Boykin who are eastcoast. ???? That might have played into it also.
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West coast also is probably a smidgen under-ranked in HS rankings because all of the ranking services are east coast or southern/tx based. Not a significant difference, but I bet more HS games for east coast kids get seen/reported on outside of the big tournaments.
 
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UcMiami said:
West coast also is probably a smidgen under-ranked in HS rankings because all of the ranking services are east coast or southern/tx based. Not a significant difference, but I bet more HS games for east coast kids get seen/reported on outside of the big tournaments.
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Glenn Nelson-one of the original founders of HoopGurlz is still based out in the North West and still ranking and championing West Coast girls players. Glenn is working under a different name now "trail Posse" ?? or something like that but he operating in the same circles of influence with ESPN-Hoopgurlz, All-star Girls Report, Blue Star media & Prospects Nation.
 
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