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We missed the play of Jalen Stewart today for a variety of reasons. He definitely would have helped today on both ends of the court with his size and athleticism. He could have been used to defend Royce Parham in particular, and just his all-around offense/defense that he contributes. We need his play going forward. We are not as deep, and that showed today.
 
I doubt Hurley ever goes there, but I do wonder if he'll ever be smart enough to cut bait with players that just don't work in his system. Other top program's this year have moved on productive players to build more balanced, productive rosters.

Duke - two years ago, Scheyer moved off upperclassmen Jeremy Roach, Mark Mitchell, etc to build a really good roster
AZ - moved off Vaessar, KJ Lewis
UM - May moved off Tre Donaldson

They all reloaded with players that raised the roster. With the portal, international recruitment, there are a lot of options that don't force you to have to hold on to pieces that don't work.

As we've seen with Purdue this year, rolling back players doesn't automatically equal NC contender. Building great rosters = NC contender. It's been pretty clear this particular group includes players that really don't work. The most important part of success in CBB is about building "bullet proof" rosters, not holding onto players for culture.
formerlurker said:
What is the highest level of basketball you've played or coached? Not trolling, just curious. In full disclosure, I never made it past 5th grade youth league.
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HS
 
boog204 said:
The problem is if we have a bad shooting game - which as you stated can happen to any team - we are far too one dimensional to consistently overcome it. Running out a 2, 3, and 4 whose primary positive influences are basically completely dependent on hitting 3’s is, again, an issue in roster construction.
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We rank 159th in 3s attempted per game. We shot 12% from 3 on 24 attempts. It was an aberration that will lose you just about any game in today’s basketball world.
 
RuffRuff said:
I doubt Hurley ever goes there, but I do wonder if he'll ever be smart enough to cut bait with players that just don't work in his system. Other top program's this year have moved on productive players to build more balanced, productive rosters.

Duke - two years ago, Scheyer moved off upperclassmen Jeremy Roach, Mark Mitchell, etc to build a really good roster
AZ - moved off Vaessar, KJ Lewis
UM - May moved off Tre Donaldson

They all reloaded with players that raised the roster. With the portal, international recruitment, there are a lot of options that don't force you to have to hold on to pieces that don't work.

As we've seen with Purdue this year, rolling back players doesn't automatically equal NC contender. Building great rosters = NC contender. It's been pretty clear this particular group includes players that really don't work. The most important part of success in CBB is about building "bullet proof" rosters, not holding onto players for culture.

HS
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Did you just start following the program? Hurley has "cut bait" with over a dozen players.
 
Aar684 said:
Opposite for me. Getting older and going through a lot worse things in life makes sports seem trivial. I enjoy watching and get a little annoyed at losses for a few minutes then I move on.
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Too good of a take for the boneyard
 
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aburks41 said:
Mullins has been so disappointing compared to his freshmen peers. He’s a one trick pony. Shot chucker and zero defense. Basically Solo Ball with NBA hype.
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Yup, basically having the same year solo did as a sophomore
 
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gwhuskyfan said:
They're not shooting 12.5% again. They had a lot of great looks from 3 today. Just didn't drop
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Just stop already. This team has look disjointed offensively for the vast majority of the season starting with the slogfest that was the New Haven opening game.

"The had a lot of great looks, just didn't drop" is the new rallying cry for some around here.
 
Son of Robert said:
We missed the play of Jalen Stewart today for a variety of reasons. He definitely would have helped today on both ends of the court with his size and athleticism. He could have been used to defend Royce Parham in particular, and just his all-around offense/defense that he contributes. We need his play going forward. We are not as deep, and that showed today.
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If we needed Jaylin Stewart (who has no showed half the season) to beat Marquette than what exactly does that say?
 
navery12 said:
The point should be obvious, at least to anyone who has been paying attention this year. Sure there are games he settles for too many 3's and doesn't contribute much. But the idea that our leading scorer hasn't contributed anything beyond shooting in a year he's been a bad shooter is idiotic. He's done exactly what you are asking in a lot of games, particularly early in the season
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Yes, early in the year. He needs to do it more is the basic point. He’s been benched twice for his lack of defense, he does not create for anyone (1.6apg), and I just find him and Mullins on the court together to be more and more redundant.
 
With the exception of the most recent St. John's game, this team has gradually gotten worse as the season has progressed. A poor shooting night happens to every team, but the recent number of close games and losses to weak teams, shows cracks and weaknesses that were not apparent in the early non-conference games. Perhaps it is the heightened physicality of Big East conference games where excessive pushing, grabbing and holding are allowed, but it appears to me that in general the UConn team has regressed, and lacks the dominant swagger of the 2023 and 2024 teams.
 
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blkknight1 said:
Made this point earlier. Defense pushes them out and they are taking longer and longer threes. The midrange was open all game long but it’s alll about jacking threes
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It's lazy offensive basketball at the end of the day and not particularly high IQ basketball meaning over reliance on the 3 ball. When you have players that can make the mid-range shot at a higher clip and you have someone down on the block like Reed who was virtually ignored in the second half this could be considered gross negligence. These things tend to all work together. An effective mid-range and low post game opens up the 3 point game and produces free throws. Silas has to get Reed the ball and be that true floor general.

For example, Mullins is a multi-level player and relying on his 3 point shot limits his effectiveness in many of these games. It's not clear that he's actually earned the green light to take this many 3 point shots based on him being a freshman and simply by his play despite Coach Hurley giving him the green light. There have been other games where he has gotten his points but often it's not as efficient as it could be if he were being utilized more effectively with other aspects of his game.

There are times I feel like Coach Hurley is stuck in the past referencing his past Championship squads. Those teams were special, deep, balanced with chemistry, high IQ and elite talent. There were key players on that squad that were a reflection of Coach Dan Hurley on the floor. That pressure is a bit much and not every team can carry it unless you have the right mix of players.
 
The only way this team is going to win a title this year is playing thru strength in the middle. Period. The women's team and the Celtics have the same issue. They rather be a perimeter team and jacking up 3s. Maybe it's the analytics driving this strategy. But, it's no coincidence that the 3 teams have won Titles recently only when they played through strength on both ends down low in the middle.
 
NickDanger said:
Hurley is a balloon knot. There was no excuse for behaving like that at the end
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Agree.
For such a nice guy off the court he is an embarrassment on the court. Thank goodness for Donavan Clingan
 
Mets1432 said:
Wonder if St. Johns will go on another cross country celebration tour for winning the BE regular season title.
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My fear - is Pitino hearing Hurley trying to run up the score and win by 40. Still shows immaturity and insecurity - they do not need extra motivation but you know they will be ready
 
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Scoe said:
Hurley will get a 1 game suspension, it could be a good thing too. Let Kimani be the HC for 1 game, it could provide a big spark for the team. Have Hurley be away from the arena Thursday away from the media, comeback Friday for a late game refocused and re energized if we win Thursday of course.
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Maybe Geno can spend some time with him
 
JBK said:
My fear - is Pitino hearing Hurley trying to run up the score and win by 40. Still shows immaturity and insecurity - they do not need extra motivation but you know they will be ready
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I really don't think he was trying to run up the score necessarily. Consider that this UConn team has lacked the ability and/or willingness to put teams away with the fact that St. John's has come back from deficits of at +/- 20 points more than once this season. Hurley has spoken in the past about the importance of dominating teams and "breaking their spirit" or "demoralizing" them. Look, Pitino has done the exact same thing. I believe Hurley told his team in the huddle to "kick the butts" (not the actual word, obviously) and "don't give them life." I actually agree, but I could see why Pitino would use it as motivation.
 
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WrenchFan69 said:
In-state kids paying $22k a year for tuition/fees and that's what the school's $30mil annual commitment to men's basketball looks like that. Deeply unserious, nationally embarrassing, and bordering on grotesque.
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Ignore the part where she says "scam-pus".
 
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JBK said:
Agree.
For such a nice guy off the court he is an embarrassment on the court. Thank goodness for Donavan Clingan
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After tonight's raging embarrassment of a loss, this is going to be a narrative. Especially with Clingan and Castle going beast mode in the NBA. I can't think of a spot in the history of Calhoun's tenure, where he was this strong a conference record, in a spot to ice a BE crown and battling for a one seed, and takes an upperclassmen laden team on the road against a team like young Marquette, last place team in the BE, and loses. This feels like a first for the program.
thekollieman said:
.Ice cold from three today. If they shot even close to their average, we win and all the complaints about other stuff would nearly vanish from most posters here.
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Can't keep listening to this one. This was the last place team in the BE - you figure out a way to win, and win convincingly, without relying on 3 pointers.
 
Clingan was a massive get for the program and was a vital aspect of our titles (even arguably in 2023). But he’s not what’s missing from the team imo, it’s more so having redundancy in 3 different positions.

That on top of having no one dominant player is what will create issues if the shots don’t fall.
 
thekollieman said:
Ice cold from three today. If they shot even close to their average, we win and all the complaints about other stuff would nearly vanish from most posters here.
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They lost to a 19 loss team on the road with a horrid, uninspired effort missing out on the opportunity to win the Big East Regular Season Title and fumbling the #1 seed in the BET and the NCAAs after a week of rest.

There is not a scenario imagined where this was supposed to be the outcome. This was chickens coming home to roost at the worst time. Now we get to see how this team responds. Let's not act like this is a nothing burger. This team lost a lot today.
 
Providence just lost to GTown so we get the winner of Marquette/Xavier on Thursday night.
 
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