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Margo sheds light on the Lady Vols loss

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My life has been transformed!!
Ten days ago, I had to ask my fellow BY'ers whodahell was this Margo y'all talkin' 'bout? Now....please don't share this with my wife (who, I suspect, doesn't know for certain how many players comprise a basketball team at any given moment), but me, I'm a boy in love!!!
 
Margo seems to lay the blame on the players instead of the coaching staff. IMHO most of the blame should be on the coaching staff. It appears the Lady Vols are running a system that doesn't maximize their talents. Coming out of HS, these were talented players and they shouldn't be struggling to score 60 points a game against any team they play.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
Margo seems to lay the blame on the players instead of the coaching staff. IMHO most of the blame should be on the coaching staff. It appears the Lady Vols are running a system that doesn't maximize their talents. Coming out of HS, these were talented players and they shouldn't be struggling to score 60 points a game against any team they play.
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It goes to both in buckets.
 
I endured 20+ minutes of this lady's monologue -- recorded in her bathroom yet -- about the ineptitude of her beloved LadyVols. Please forgive me, but I missed the anticipated entertainment and enrichment and found, instead, that it became merely an exercise in bladder control. :rolleyes:
 
I don't think I've ever gotten past two minutes of Margo – and I did not watch any of the latest installment. But you've got to love her enthusiasm.
 
Kibitzer said:
I endured 20+ minutes of this lady's monologue -- recorded in her bathroom yet -- about the ineptitude of her beloved LadyVols. Please forgive me, but I missed the anticipated entertainment and enrichment and found, instead, that it became merely an exercise in bladder control. :rolleyes:
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Awww, Kib! How curmudgeonly!!! My Margeaux indicates to me that she has reviewed your rather uncharitable remarks, remains undeterred, and has even revealed that she plans to dedicate the next Lady Vol loss to you personally. Neither of us think you'll have to wait long!
 
I actually thought her arguments were not so insightful
And that she was amazingly subdued considering the complete offensive futility.
Perhaps the main takeaway was that despite her overly simplistic assumption of roles
She at least had some notion of an an approach.
Seemingly more than the actual coach has.
 
Love Margo, girl has major passion!

Found this interesting pre-season from Diamond;
"I think of Holly as someone who has been everywhere that I want to go," said Diamond DeShields, a redshirt sophomore that transferred from North Carolina to play for Warlick. "She has been a part of the Olympic team, she has been a National Champion, she's been an All-American. Holly embodies the things that I want to become, so why not play for someone who has been there? I feel like Holly is the right person for me to be able to take the steps to become the woman that I want to be."


Read more: http://collegefansonly.net/thread/14648/holly-warlick-success#ixzz3tk33fim2

She may not get to become all she want's to become at UT, finding the whole UT situation sad as they were the first team I wanted to beat so badly when I first became a fan over 20 years ago.
 
Margot reminds me of Sweet Brown. I could see Margo commenting on the loss - "Ain't nobody got time for that!"

 
Kibitzer said:
I endured 20+ minutes of this lady's monologue -- recorded in her bathroom yet -- about the ineptitude of her beloved LadyVols. Please forgive me, but I missed the anticipated entertainment and enrichment and found, instead, that it became merely an exercise in bladder control. :rolleyes:
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I think you needed to be in your bathroom, too.
 
Margo is in sort of the same state of mind that, say, TonyC would be in if, say, the Huskies had just lost to, say, Houston. Not her usual self.
 
I don't watch many of these and didn't watch this one, but I do enjoy her passion, and she does occasionally come out with some home truths.
 
the lady vols are not having ANY fun on the court. even when they do well or make a big play. IMO there are issues that we don't know about going on behind the scenes. team chemistry or coaching problems or both. I've never seen a TN look so sad (except when Pat was sick and still coaching) at the end of the day, Margo is right about the players BUT I think the coaches are the ones being paid big money to make it right. it's on them....period.
 
About 3 minutes in I was sea sick. Do something about your camera angle Margo. When she emplored Diamond to be Diamond, well, I got a little sick and clicked out. When we have Margo saying Diamond has to turn Tenn into UNC, that tells you a lot about the lack of belief, richly deserved, in the rest of these so called talents.
 
LadyVols9 said:
the lady vols are not having ANY fun on the court. even when they do well or make a big play. IMO there are issues that we don't know about going on behind the scenes. team chemistry or coaching problems or both. I've never seen a TN look so sad (except when Pat was sick and still coaching) at the end of the day, Margo is right about the players BUT I think the coaches are the ones being paid big money to make it right. it's on them....period.
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One of the most challenging thing in coaching IMHO is not only getting the RIGHT kids, but kids for the right positions. You can't have a team of 8 guards and 2 post players, or vice versa. I think Holly has tried to put together a good mix of positions and styles, but...

Without naming names, I think there are some kids on the roster who aren't necessarily "team first" players. I think that's at least part of what people keep referring to when they talk about team chemistry. You have some kids who want to be part of "team", some who are more selfish, and coaches who not only can't get them all on the same page, but can't teach them offense either. It's dysfunctional and not pretty.

Most Tenn fans looked at the roster and the talent that Holly recruited and thought "final 4 here we come". Sheer talent will win you some games (Syracuse, Chattanooga, Albany), but if you don't have a good "team" with proper chemistry, it will limit what can be accomplished...

It's also possible it will get worse before it gets better as problems that grow have a way of blowing up or imploding. Add to that an administration at Tennessee that doesn't seem terribly supportive of WCBB and it's not only a bad situation currently, it makes the future look bleak...
 
Eric - I wonder about the 'administration not being supportive' meme at TN that is so current and whether it is not part and parcel of a changing of the guard and not really true. Yes FB and MB get the most attention at almost every school, but the situation at TN seems to me more complex than an AD 'trying to pull down what Pat built'. Pat had in fact built her own little kingdom and by the time she got sick, was probably the most influential single person at the university. If an AD wanted to do something she didn't like she could stop them in their tracks by creating a public stink about it. With Pat's stepping down, it was probably the first time in ten years that an AD could make any change that didn't have Pat's approval. The reorganization of the athletic department from outside does not look like such a bad idea - it appeared there were quite a few areas that by keeping genders separated, were unnecessarily duplicated and created larger overheads. And in such a reorganization, there are going to be some very unhappy and disgruntled employees who suddenly have their little fiefdoms disturbed or disbanded.
With Pat's legacy came a group of truly fanatic fans, who venerate everything Pat ever did or touched and everyone who Pat ever worked with, and brook no dissent from that veneration, and they raised an almighty stink about the changes that were getting made, and initiated a crusade against the AD and any changes from the way that 'Pat ran things'. It seems to me that this meme comes more from those origins than from any objective review of the actual actions that have been taken at TN. Yes the walls around Pat's kingdom have been pulled down, but is that actually a bad thing for the TN athletic department?

Anyway - eric - I agree with your other points. And I think it is a situation that has existed for a while, though it may be more pronounced this year. There were some strange tweets from Graves I think two years ago that suggested issues in the locker room.

NB - what I said about Pat's Kingdom, is likely to be true about Geno and CD as well - I suspect over the years there have been some walls built up around the WCBB team that Warde or a future AD might like to dismantle as well, but will have to wait until after Geno leaves. It is not that unusual with very powerful people in any organization. And there are a few fanatical fans of Uconn WCBB who might cause a fuss if and when those changes to what 'Geno is God' has laid down are made public, especially should one of Geno/CD's people voice displeasure.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
Margo seems to lay the blame on the players instead of the coaching staff. IMHO most of the blame should be on the coaching staff. It appears the Lady Vols are running a system that doesn't maximize their talents. Coming out of HS, these were talented players and they shouldn't be struggling to score 60 points a game against any team they play.
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Coach can't play the game for the players, that is true.
But when a team does not live up to the expectations, when full of highly talented young energetic women, can their poor performance be the fault of anyone other than the coach?
Any coach that says (in effect) I told them what to do, what more can I do?? Should be fired, immediately.
If a school has a team where the player refuse to perform as told--dump the players.
However, unless they are on strike, the fault for bad performances belongs with the coach.
Eddie Sutton, at Arkansas, didn't blame players, but he could not make "in game " corrections. Before the next game he had them fixed
 
Whose fault is when player's don't develop? I have a co worker of mine who is a Tenn fan and he blamed the players (in particular Carter and Reynolds) for their lack of development and I blamed Holly for it?
 
sivad40 said:
Whose fault is when player's don't develop? I have a co worker of mine who is a Tenn fan and he blamed the players (in particular Carter and Reynolds) for their lack of development and I blamed Holly for it?
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One of 2 things IMHO...

Either the players in question weren't as good coming out of HS (vis-a-vis their rankings) as people thought or...

The coaching staff simply does not develop players.

What would any of the Tenn players look like as seniors if they'd gone to UCONN or ND or Baylor or even a program like Dayton who I think has a terrific HC? Honestly I don't have an answer to that question.

Carter was ranked only 21 by HG (not sure where she was per the others). Reynolds was only ranked 42. Jasmine Jones was 39. On the flip side, Bria Holmes was 29. Kadijah Sessions (SC) was 40. Ii'd say those kids are giving more than the Tenn recruits. but players in the 40 ranking range usually aren't starters, or stars, for their teams. Ekmark was 31 and look where she's at here at UCONN.

The top players Tenn has gotten (top 10) in the past 5 years are Graves (SR), Russell, Deshields and Tucker (would be JR's), Nared (So), and Cooper (FR). I know Cooper is 12 per HG but she's top 5 per another service. These are top players. Where's the development? Where's the team work and chemistry? Where's the leadership? At this point it seems no one knows...
 
LadyVols9 said:
the lady vols are not having ANY fun on the court. even when they do well or make a big play. IMO there are issues that we don't know about going on behind the scenes. team chemistry or coaching problems or both. I've never seen a TN look so sad (except when Pat was sick and still coaching) at the end of the day, Margo is right about the players BUT I think the coaches are the ones being paid big money to make it right. it's on them....period.
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Wow LV9 you are so bang on here.... must say I feel for the players.... because i feel they are not getting the full value of being coached to their potential......

I watch Margo always because of her passion, and her hoops analytics are usually pretty good as well..... but this time.... i said to myself at the 12 minutes mark or so....."Wow - did she just say that?" when she challenged her viewers to name just ONE coach in the land who could do the UT head coaching job better than Holly was doing it..... Just "Wow!!!!"

Even Holly says (in public, curiously) she does not know what is wrong, or she would fix it. Again, WOW!!! She has the power to make whatever corrections that are needed, and she doesn't know what the problem is.....

I could go on a long time citing what I think a grade school coach would be able to see some things that are wrong..... but I gotta work for a living !!!.....

..... and your post here LV9, made me think..... hmmm perhaps something is askew behind the scenes....
 
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