Dann
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Look, suck it up, Nancy - HuskyFanDan still gets his on dial-up, so you can make do.
sad but true. i mow the grass with a goat also.
Look, suck it up, Nancy - HuskyFanDan still gets his on dial-up, so you can make do.
sad but true. i mow the grass with a goat also.
Mowing the grass...Is that what the kids are calling it these days?sad but true. i mow the grass with a goat also.
Well then what's the point? If you're expenditures rise slower than inflation, you're keeping costs down, no?
You may not be aware, but we live in a world where if you want to have nice things, you have to pay for them. You can have UConn be successful, or you can have low taxes and small government, but you can't have both. Unless Bill Gates suddenly becomes a UConn fan.We all want UConn to succeed. However, this Obama plant Malloy wanting to spend 2B is absolutely insane. Too much money and I do not support it. Dorms in Stamford? that, unless they can have a football team by '14 to play at the RENT.
Not enough information to conclude whether costs are being kept down. What's the surrogate for inflation? Handy Whitman? Does the inflation surrogate approximate the goods and services reflected in university costs closely enough for a comparison using it to be meaningful. You, yourself, have mentioned the form of indentured servitude by which lectures are delivered as one of the means universities use to contain costs. Is it a good idea to compare costs calculated on market based wages to a model where wage costs are arrived at by a different method? When I was a kid, the farmer who employed me was permitted to pay seasonal help less that mimimum wage. Was he doing a better job of keeping labor costs low than the people at the swimming pool who were required to pay minimum wage?
What is the time period of the comparison? A year? Fifty years? What's the rationale for using that particular timeframe? Were there anomolies in the inflation surrogate or university spending during the period that might lead to a less tenable conclusions if corrected for? Do trucking companies do a worse job controling costs during OPEC manipulations than lumber mills?
Of course none of that has anything to do with my original post which was that savings realized in one area can be more than offset by spending elsewhere.
FWIW, it's good to hear about the effectiveness of higher education cost containment efforts. To be candid, I doubt I would have guessed that college spending growth trailed inflation.
Just to put this in perspective. Conn. used to be in the bottom 5th in terms of funding Higher Ed. It has risen all the way to the mid 20s and is closer to about 20 now. But when the measure is funding per $1,000 of per capita income, UConn drops right to around 35-40 again. In other words, spending according to the state's wealth.
Not trying to drag this into an argument for the Cesspool (where I refuse to wade), but our per capita income is always skewed by Fairfield County and some parts of western Hartford County. For example, something like 1.5% of the State's income taxpayers lives in Greenwich, but they pay over 13% of the State's income tax revenue. Looking at the State's per capita income as a metric and saying, "see? We should be spending more than we are," doesn't necessarily imply that you or I (assuming you're not one of those 1.5%) can afford to pay more in taxes to accommodate new State spending on higher education: it just means that some people in this State have really, really high incomes.
(A similar argument is, "Connecticut residents are only getting 70 cents back for every $1 they pay the federal government in taxes, so I must be getting shafted." That doesn't necessarily mean that you or I aren't getting our money's worth, it just means that the top end is paying a big, big amount to the IRS. The State's net return for the middle 98% of the population, taking away the richest and poorest 1%s, is probably on par with most of the rest of the country.)
Also, I think it's really a tenuous argument to tie State spending on higher education with money earned by people who generally don't take advantage of it. B isn't really a function of A.
Don't get me wrong - I am utterly thrilled by this plan because for once the State would be spending billions on things I like. It is, however, a legitimately significant expenditure that will make UConn stand out, not something that we should have been expected to do all along just because we have some rich people in the State.
(In my opinion.)
We all want UConn to succeed. However, this Obama plant Malloy wanting to spend 2B is absolutely insane.
Seconding Alum86. The Gov is about to give a budget speech knowing we're $1B-plus in the hole. Where in God's name does he think the money is coming from? I know this is an outdated notion, but whatever happened to the private sector doing R & D?
And calling BS about 'this investment should have been done 10 years ago.' UConn 2000 program pumped $1B plus into the school & the system. Lotsa people have short memories.
Just overall spending. The school I focused on in the report I read was Cal-Berkeley. The report showed the national numbers at top universities, so it wasn't a national study (it would be impossible to conduct such a thing with every single university out there. The study looked at about 100 state schools. I looked at Berkeley because it has had a 800% tuition increase in 20 years. Berkeley went from a 1.29B budget in 1989 to a 1.62B budget in 2010. State support went from $16,800 in 1989 in REAL dollars to its current $9,700 in REAL dollars. The interesting thing was that the drop in state support was almost exactly the same as the rise in tuition.
The move to part-time faculty simply offsets the rise in technology costs and health care costs. Administrative costs, which have risen obscenely and should be kept in check, are still well below 1% of the budget, so though they rose high above inflation, you can simply recalculate everything by offsetting that .5%-1% number to realize that admin. costs are only a small part of the problem. And admin. costs are largely a problem of increased compliance and especially the dreaded assessment.
Much to agree with here. My only disagreement is with the comment about fiscal irresponsibility. It is immensely difficult to run a state budget with everyone from every conceivable crevice wanting more and more and more. Every state is in the same predicament. As well as the nation. CT does a better than average job with its budget and services provided.I'm not sure who you are referring to when you say lots of people having short memories? The Uconn 2000 program was nothing short of an ESSENTIAL upgrade for the crumbling infrastructure of the Uconn Storrs Campus and subsequent branches. It was an investment that had to be made in order to grow and remain competitive, period. This was the ONLY way that Uconn had any shot at moving forward academically and to grow the sports programs as well. This next round of investment is going to put Uconn on the map for generations to come from an academic and research standpoint and allow us to maintain an identity far greater than that of just a basketball school. Just a question, are you happy being complacent about our current academic standing? Do you think we will just remain where we currently rank without further investment? I'm assuming you are a Uconn FB/Basketball fan or else you wouldnt be on this board, but how do you think those teams along with the others will fair long term here in the "land of the missfit toys" formally known as the Big East, if we don't make this investment for our future? You wont find any less of an advocate for CT Govt and its policies which continuously demonstrate fiscal irresponsibility than myself, but how do you expect us not to improve our current situation without aggressively implementing a plan to get us to the next level? Just a question.......
I'm not sure who you are referring to when you say lots of people having short memories? The Uconn 2000 program was nothing short of an ESSENTIAL upgrade for the crumbling infrastructure of the Uconn Storrs Campus and subsequent branches. It was an investment that had to be made in order to grow and remain competitive, period. This was the ONLY way that Uconn had any shot at moving forward academically and to grow the sports programs as well. This next round of investment is going to put Uconn on the map for generations to come from an academic and research standpoint and allow us to maintain an identity far greater than that of just a basketball school. Just a question, are you happy being complacent about our current academic standing? Do you think we will just remain where we currently rank without further investment? I'm assuming you are a Uconn FB/Basketball fan or else you wouldnt be on this board, but how do you think those teams along with the others will fair long term here in the "land of the missfit toys" formally known as the Big East, if we don't make this investment for our future? You wont find any less of an advocate for CT Govt and its policies which continuously demonstrate fiscal irresponsibility than myself, but how do you expect us not to improve our current situation without aggressively implementing a plan to get us to the next level? Just a question.......
Busway is not a waste of money. I-84 in 10 years will be nearly impassable. It's clogged now. We will need mass transit.Good points all - my issue is that Malloy acts as if this is the UConn of 1990. We're a little closer to the level you and I want the school to reach than what is being portrayed. $2B seems a bit much. The $1B 'investment' in the last decade came when the state was running surpluses. The problem is so much money is being spent/wasted elsewhere (busway, anyone?) there's not much left for things that are truly necessary.
Wasn't the University of California system, for all intents and purposes, free for in-state students at one time? I've often wondered if that nominal tuition and the state's enormous population were responsible for all those Cal schools being able to be so selective which, in turn, led to the high academic quality for which they are now known and admired. Did the rise in tuition to better reflect the value of the product received come about because, in part at least, state officials worried that a court ruling (which may since have been overturned) granting a student who graduated from a school in another state the right to establish residence in California and qualify for (virtually) free tuition would open a flood of out of state students?
I hear you about the difficulty/impossibility of collecting data for a universe under study. Fortunately, sampling and the application of statistics have allowed us to make valid conclusions from a subset of the data (and me a decent living). That said, a sample of one (Cal-Berkeley) is skimpy in the extreme, although not completely unheard of. Years and years...and years ago, I offered rebuttal testimony in a public utility rate hearing case where the petitioner attempted to quantify risk (a proxy for required return on capital) from a sample of one company.
It wasn't a sample of one. They did the study with about 100 schools. I'm just citing Berkeley because, outside of the institutions I've been affiliated with, I chose to look at them because they had the highest tuition rise in the nation. Public school tuitions have gone up 200-300% in that timeframe, what this means is hard to gauge since tuition was subsidized in the first place. In the same period, private school tuition has doubled, but when you look at actual cost per student, that has not doubled. So one of the reasons for the increase at private schools is the need-blind policy (i.e. redistributing 40% of tuition in the form of scholarship dollars), and this causes exponential increases of tuition the longer you keep to the policy. That's why some schools announced 10% tuition reductions last year, as they got rid of their need-blind admissions policies. You can hold tuition increases in check if you don't give scholarship money.
Busway is not a waste of money. I-84 in 10 years will be nearly impassable. It's clogged now. We will need mass transit.
I'm not sure who you are referring to when you say lots of people having short memories? The Uconn 2000 program was nothing short of an ESSENTIAL upgrade for the crumbling infrastructure of the Uconn Storrs Campus and subsequent branches. It was an investment that had to be made in order to grow and remain competitive, period........
Phenomenal change since I took grad courses there in 1981. The small populaton base means the only way UConn can keep up with the Research Arms Race is higher tuition.
Face it: The BiG has a political lobby that simply destroys CT when it comes to its ability to procure research dollars. Adding NJ, MD, VA and NC legislators will simply continue the BiG lobby superiority through the Century. One thing that is bi-partisan: research dollars. It's a pork-barrel quid pro quo favorite and the BiG has some ridiculous political leverage to grab the types of dollars that makes football revenues look like childs play.
Thanks for your interesting and informative posts. The complexities involved in what you do are myriad and you've opened my eyes to just a few. I read an article or editorial (WSJ I think) about the role of the abundance of student loans plays in the rise of tuition. Do you have any insight about that?
BTW, I was I was just tweaking about that sample size of one.
The facts show that on a per capita basis, Conn. is not in the top 40% of state support for Higher Ed.
What political lobby are you referring to?
Pork barrel research?
The grants come through national academies and private foundations with experts in the field making the final decisions.
Yeah right. Neutral stuff. Swing states, Lobbyists. Backdoor insights into how the grant needs to be written to win don't happen. I forgot, Grants are awarded by the research virgins and their heavenly choir of incorruptible cherubs and then fairly administered by the tooth fairy of higher education.
Here's some news from 2 years ago:
A $100 million federal hospital construction grant once believed to be earmarked for Connecticut was awarded to Ohio State University Wednesday, leaving the state $100 million short in its quest to renovate and expand the UConn Health Center's John Dempsey Hospital.
The money was considered key to a $362 million plan intended to secure the long-term future of the Farmington hospital. U.S. Sen. Christopher Dodd got the grant inserted in the health reform law last year amid accusations that it was an earmark. But it proved to be anything but.
Malloy lobbied for the money earlier this month in a meeting with U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. At the time, he called the grant "critical to the future of our state's only public medical and dental schools," and said a federal contribution was "the only solution to addressing the long-term financial challenges that have confronted the UConn Health Center."
Rell praised the university's application and said that the project would bring thousands of jobs, new medical technology and "greatly improved" access to health care.
"While today's decision is tremendously disappointing, I know that UConn, our Congressional delegation, John Dempsey and the partner hospitals remain committed to finding the funding necessary to realize this important goal," she said in a statement.
Dodd, who helped usher through the health reform law that includes the grant, issued a statement expressing his unhappiness with the outcome.
When Dodd had the grant inserted in the health reform bill last December, it was believed that only a dozen or so states would qualify.
Martin Kramer, a spokesman for the federal Health Resources and Services Administration, the division of HHS that awarded the grant, said 27 institutions were eligible to apply for the grant. All applications were scored by an objective review committee, and Ohio State's application had the highest scores, he said.
Ohio State University will use the money to support ProjectONE, the university's largest-ever construction project, which will expand the university's medical center. It will include a new cancer hospital, critical care tower, outpatient center, research laboratories and classrooms.
Good points all - my issue is that Malloy acts as if this is the UConn of 1990. We're a little closer to the level you and I want the school to reach than what is being portrayed. $2B seems a bit much. The $1B 'investment' in the last decade came when the state was running surpluses. The problem is so much money is being spent/wasted elsewhere (busway, anyone?) there's not much left for things that are truly necessary.
Yes, apparently you do.Do I really need to explain to you that these are not peer reviewed research grants?
I'm not sure who you are referring to when you say lots of people having short memories? The Uconn 2000 program was nothing short of an ESSENTIAL upgrade for the crumbling infrastructure of the Uconn Storrs Campus and subsequent branches.
Do I really need to explain to you that these are not peer reviewed research grants?
Peer reviewed? What's that? There's at least 5 graduate papers and dissertations written every year about thr corruption and politics and nepotism and favoritism of Peer Review
Even the Tooth Fairy giggles at Peer Review as a politically pure process of writing the specs, grading the proposals, and awarding grants.
Hint: Search for "Peer Review Bias" at Yahoo and come up with 235,000 hits. I don't have access to the Academic Journal libraries at home but there's at least 5 decent papers every year published on the "Peer Review " fallacy usually by stat or political science grad students.
What's next? State RFPs and the "Neutral" process of writing the specs and grading the applicants and proposals as overseen by the Tooth Fairy of Academic Purity?