Male Coaches

[Vowelguy]

Seems like there's been a rapid increase in the number and quality of female coaches, reducing the # of men.

And there isn't a ton of young talent. Will be an interesting development to watch.

BiG (3/18): NW (68), OhioSt (55), Oregon (62), with McKeown long past overdue to retire
SEC (4/16): Ark (55), MissSt (44), Texas (63), Ky (56), with Ark likely on the verge of a change
ACC (4/18): NCSt (67), Lou (53), Pitt (51), Clem (39)
B12 (7/16): Utah (47), KSt (58), Kan (52), IowaSt (67), Houston (54), WVa (49), TCU (44)

 

[WBBTakeover]

Hopefully the trend continues, but that percentage is still a bit too high (thanks to the Big 12). I'd be interested in knowing how many of the female P4 coaches are former players (especially D1 players) versus the number of male P4 coaches that are former players at any level. While not a P4, I hope that UConn's next coach is female.

I know that there's a program/seminar for D1 seniors who want to become coaches, but if we're going to place former practice players (i.e. males who are not D1 athletes) on the fast track to becoming head coaches (while former D1 women's players have to struggle to get Director of Basketball Operations jobs), what's the point?

 

[GoUconn7961]

Hopefully the trend continues, but that percentage is still a bit too high (thanks to the Big 12). I'd be interested in knowing how many of the female P4 coaches are former players (especially D1 players) versus the number of male P4 coaches that are former players at any level. While not a P4, I hope that UConn's next coach is female.

I know that there's a program/seminar for D1 seniors who want to become coaches, but if we're going to place former practice players (i.e. males who are not D1 athletes) on the fast track to becoming head coaches (while former D1 women's players have to struggle to get Director of Basketball Operations jobs), what's the point?

I don't see any male coach out there that UConn would consider. Maybe Walz, but he's a big longshot.

 

[cancontent]

Yes, it's an interesting trend but for contrast, it seems like more male coaches are being hired in the WNBA based on recent hires. Who really knows which way things are going?

 

[bballnut90]

I hope this trend continues until we see start seeing women coaching in the men’s game.

 

[Performance]

Maybe it's just me but I think the quality of the coach should be far more important than their gender.

 

[GamecockFam]

Maybe it's just me but I think the quality of the coach should be far more important than their gender.

I don't disagree but we all have bias which affects our everyday decisions--including the hiring of coaches. People tend to be more critical of women as leaders, leaving the perception that they wouldn't make as good of a coach as their male counterparts, causing bias in evaluations. I think first hand experience as a women playing in this style of basketball should definitely skew the results towards women coaches (and likewise with the men's side).

 

[WBBTakeover]

Maybe it's just me but I think the quality of the coach should be far more important than their gender.

It should be and would be in a more perfect world, but we don't live that reality. Keep in mind that coaching positions in men's sports are overwhelmingly filled by males. If quality of the coach was truly more important than gender, why is that (the lack of opportunities for women to coach men) the reality? Why, on the one hand, do we use the "quality of coach > gender" argument for men coaching women's sports but don't apply that logic to women coaching men's sports?

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Hopefully the trend continues, but that percentage is still a bit too high (thanks to the Big 12). I'd be interested in knowing how many of the female P4 coaches are former players (especially D1 players) versus the number of male P4 coaches that are former players at any level. While not a P4, I hope that UConn's next coach is female.

I know that there's a program/seminar for D1 seniors who want to become coaches, but if we're going to place former practice players (i.e. males who are not D1 athletes) on the fast track to becoming head coaches (while former D1 women's players have to struggle to get Director of Basketball Operations jobs), what's the point?

My wife and I are both believers that - as long as men's basketball is so largely coached by males, and as long as there are women who want to be coaches, particularly ex-players, then the trend should be for more female coaches.

As far as the current collection of male coaches in the P4, the objection is relatively minor. Most of the older ones have either been there forever, or had great success at a previous school where they were for a substantial period of time. Also, some (I haven't researched it) of the younger male coaches may have been rated as top assistants deserving of a shot at head coach. At up to 5 Assistants per school, I don't particularly see why no male would qualify as an assistant.

As someone noted, the hiring decision should be based on expectations. Seeing more successful women and ex-player coaches can only keep things improving. Incidentally, a similar situation has been noted with referees, in that there are more ex-players among referees, although, again, males are over-represented. However, quite a few of the male refs are nearing retirement, I would hope.

 

[cancontent]

My wife and I are both believers that - as long as men's basketball is so largely coached by males, and as long as there are women who want to be coaches, particularly ex-players, then the trend should be for more female coaches.

As far as the current collection of male coaches in the P4, the objection is relatively minor. Most of the older ones have either been there forever, or had great success at a previous school where they were for a substantial period of time. Also, some (I haven't researched it) of the younger male coaches may have been rated as top assistants deserving of a shot at head coach. At up to 5 Assistants per school, I don't particularly see why no male would qualify as an assistant.

As someone noted, the hiring decision should be based on expectations. Seeing more successful women and ex-player coaches can only keep things improving. Incidentally, a similar situation has been noted with referees, in that there are more ex-players among referees, although, again, males are over-represented. However, quite a few of the male refs are nearing retirement, I would hope.

I have a friend who is a referee who has the same hopes. He's been involved with Canada Basketball and is working on a program/concept where they help develop former players into referees. He wants to get those who played more involved because they know the rules better than anyone. If they're trained in FIBA rules, the opportunity to travel is also there, which sounds cool.

 

[visitingcock]

I have a friend who is a referee who has the same hopes. He's been involved with Canada Basketball and is working on a program/concept where they help develop former players into referees. He wants to get those who played more involved because they know the rules better than anyone. If they're trained in FIBA rules, the opportunity to travel is also there, which sounds cool.

Mark Campbell??

 

[cancontent]

Mark Campbell??

No. Rick Parnham. He's been head of officiating in various capacities for the province of Ontario as well.

 

[visitingcock]

No. Rick Parnham. He's been head of officiating in various capacities for the province of Ontario as well.

I replied bb to the wrong post. If we were looking for a coach, I would consider it professional negligence for our Azd not to consider him merely because he is a male - even though the rest off our fanbase might riot.

 

[cancontent]

I replied bb to the wrong post. If we were looking for a coach, I would consider it professional negligence for our Azd not to consider him merely because he is a male - even though the rest off our fanbase might riot.

This is in reference to South Carolina, correct? You'd hope the AD would consider the best available candidate especially considering what Staley has built.

 

[WBBTakeover]

My wife and I are both believers that - as long as men's basketball is so largely coached by males, and as long as there are women who want to be coaches, particularly ex-players, then the trend should be for more female coaches.

As far as the current collection of male coaches in the P4, the objection is relatively minor. Most of the older ones have either been there forever, or had great success at a previous school where they were for a substantial period of time. Also, some (I haven't researched it) of the younger male coaches may have been rated as top assistants deserving of a shot at head coach. At up to 5 Assistants per school, I don't particularly see why no male would qualify as an assistant.

As someone noted, the hiring decision should be based on expectations. Seeing more successful women and ex-player coaches can only keep things improving. Incidentally, a similar situation has been noted with referees, in that there are more ex-players among referees, although, again, males are over-represented. However, quite a few of the male refs are nearing retirement, I would hope.

Try answering these questions:

1) How does a male, who does not have D1 playing experience, become qualified for a coaching position in D1 women's basketball? Where is he getting the experience for the position?

2) Why is it that we have coaching interest seminars for graduating D1 players (i.e., women) to get into coaching?

Once you have the answers to these questions, you'll see why my post says what it says.

 

[visitingcock]

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Try answering these questions:

1) How does a male, who does not have D1 playing experience, become qualified for a coaching position in D1 women's basketball? Where is he getting the experience for the position?

2) Why is it that we have coaching interest seminars for graduating D1 players (i.e., women) to get into coaching?

Once you have the answers to these questions, you'll see why my post says what it says.

too bad Lou Holtz didn’t have isn’t D-1 playing experience. What D-1 team did Geno play for. And when Dawn leaves to coach the Sixers?

 

[WBBTakeover]

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too bad Lou Holtz didn’t have isn’t D-1 playing experience. What D-1 team did Geno play for. And when Dawn leaves to coach the Sixers?

Lou Holtz (a football coach) wasn't trying to cross over to coach women. Also, there are men who have not played college basketball who currently (and only) coach men--proving that it can be done on that side of the ball.

Geno is over 70.

Dawn isn't going to coach the Sixers.

Now, find women who didn't play D1 basketball (bonus points if they didn't play college basketball of any kind) but were able to work their way up through the D1 assistant coaching ranks to become P4 head coaches (i.e. current-day P4 coaches).

 

[Rowdy831]

Coaches coach for a long time so it will take time for the gender percentages to grow to a large majority on the women's side. It has only been the last 20 years that WCBB has had more than one or two dominant teams so the popularity most likely was slowed a bit. I do think the numbers will grow but most places are going to hire the person they think gives them the best chance to win, man or woman.

 

[WBBTakeover]

Coaches coach for a long time so it will take time for the gender percentages to grow to a large majority on the women's side. It has only been the last 20 years that WCBB has had more than one or two dominant teams so the popularity most likely was slowed a bit. I do think the numbers will grow but most places are going to hire the person they think gives them the best chance to win, man or woman.

How many female head coaches are there in men's sports at the D1 level and in the major pro leagues (NFL, NBA, MLB)? Because doesn't it seem odd that ALL of the head coaching openings in men's sports are filled by men while there isn't a single woman who is deemed qualified enough to even apply in many cases?

I don't think you all sit back to think about what you're implying when you use the, "best candidate--man or woman" argument when it comes to women's sports. If the best coaching candidate in men's sports is always a man, but the best coaching candidate in women's sports may be a man or a woman, then what are you actually saying about a women's abilities to coach a sport?

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Try answering these questions:

1) How does a male, who does not have D1 playing experience, become qualified for a coaching position in D1 women's basketball? Where is he getting the experience for the position?

2) Why is it that we have coaching interest seminars for graduating D1 players (i.e., women) to get into coaching?

Once you have the answers to these questions, you'll see why my post says what it says.

I'm missing your point. As I said, my wife and I constantly argue that we need more opportunities for female coaches and the habit of pre-judging a man as automatically more qualified is just wrong.

My first point was that I accept there are older, successful male coaches and I don't get upset they exist. When they started, the opportunities for women just weren't there. The Genos, Vics and even Jeff Waltzs of the world will eventually retire and hopefully there are qualified women coaches given the opportunity to replace them.

Another point is that, if you claim men don't have the experience to coach women, then you are saying women can't coach men. I reject that idea. Or, as Vivian Stringer and others have said, basketball is basketball.

 

[WBBTakeover]

I'm missing your point. As I said, my wife and I constantly argue that we need more opportunities for female coaches and the habit of pre-judging a man as automatically more qualified is just wrong.

My first point was that I accept there are older, successful male coaches and I don't get upset they exist. When they started, the opportunities for women just weren't there. The Genos, Vics and even Jeff Waltzs of the world will eventually retire and hopefully there are qualified women coaches given the opportunity to replace them.

Another point is that, if you claim men don't have the experience to coach women, then you are saying women can't coach men. I reject that idea. Or, as Vivian Stringer and others have said, basketball is basketball.

This sounds like a bunch of wish casting, to be honest. "Yeah, Geno and Vic are old now, so HOPEFULLY a woman can replace them"--while ignoring the fact that a woman (Debbie Ryan at UVA) had Geno on her coaching staff in the 1980s!!!!!

And this is not a shot at Geno, because he's rarely ever, if ever, had a male assistant coach on his staff. He's dominated the game, yes, but he's paid the game back handsomely and has a nice coaching tree (of women) to show for it. My beef is not with Geno. I'm saying that the likelihood of there ever being another Geno in this sport should be so infinitesimally small that it should be rendered practically impossible. Right now, that's not the case--and that should be concerning to people who claim that they want better professional opportunities for women in coaching.

I'd like to know what your definition of "qualified" is for women, because it likely does not align with the definition of "qualified" for the athletic directors making the hiring decisions. Again, look at the number of women who are coaching at P4 schools and see how many of them played D1 basketball and then coached D1 basketball as assistants. Now, compare that number to the number of men coaching at P4 schools who both played D1 basketball and coached D1 women as an assistant. Like it or not, men are being seen as being more qualified than women in both men's and women's basketball. For women's basketball, the barrier of entry for men is lower, and they can get a huge boost along the way to beef up their resumes. That's why you get a 39-year-old Shawn Poppie coaching a P4 (replacing a woman who played at a P4) despite not playing at the D1 level (and having mainly lower level D1 experience as an assistant to go along with TWO years of head coaching experience). Who gave Poppie his big break? Kenny Brooks.

You are saying that males coaching basketball should be the default without actually saying it. If it's okay to consider men for women's coaching jobs under the guise that "it's just basketball", then why aren't we seeing that when it comes to women coaching men's basketball? How is it that not one single woman (including those who played for gold medal-winning Olympic basketball teams) is qualified to coach men, but a man can lack intercollegiate playing experience yet be able to coach women at the P4 level in this day? Make it make sense!