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I'm interested in getting a lower end entry level watch.

Not at a Rolex level, but ready to wear something nice. I'm thinking of a Baltic, Tag Heuer, Seiko, Tissot, Orient, Citizen, etc.

I'd like to know what the watch snobs think and thanks.
 
It’s always funny to me when people say buying a nice watch is a waste of money, meanwhile they’re blowing money on dumber things. When you’re wearing a nice suit especially, it’s a good idea to have a watch on, i think it looks tacky when people wear their Apple Watch or garmin with a suit (I’m sure some will shout me down for this, just my opinion). You don’t need to spend a ton of money on a watch, just something decent. It’s hard to beat the value that Seiko provides, they’ve got tons of models you can find under $500 and last a long time.

What’s your budget? If you’re just starting, don’t go crazy, just get into the hobby, tons of options under $1000. Hamilton, Seiko, Tissot, Bulova, Mido, tons of others. I’d say look at Hamilton or Seiko personally, really can’t go wrong there and easily can find these slightly used for even less. If you have a higher budget, look at Omega or Grand Seiko. I saw someone else mention spending good money on nice shoes as well & I agree. Things that last are worth spending a premium for and I see a nice mechanical watch as the same. Don’t need to buy a Rolex to still enjoy a nice watch.
 
I'm not a watch guy, I haven't worn one in years, but after reading this thread I'm curious what the watch gurus consider the cost of a "low end luxury watch", a "luxury watch", and a "high end luxury watch". Where approximately are those price points?
You can get a Tag or Breitling for $2k ish. To me that is the starting point of luxury watches. I'm not a watch guru though!
 
It’s always funny to me when people say buying a nice watch is a waste of money, meanwhile they’re blowing money on dumber things. When you’re wearing a nice suit especially, it’s a good idea to have a watch on, i think it looks tacky when people wear their Apple Watch or garmin with a suit (I’m sure some will shout me down for this, just my opinion). You don’t need to spend a ton of money on a watch, just something decent. It’s hard to beat the value that Seiko provides, they’ve got tons of models you can find under $500 and last a long time.

What’s your budget? If you’re just starting, don’t go crazy, just get into the hobby, tons of options under $1000. Hamilton, Seiko, Tissot, Bulova, Mido, tons of others. I’d say look at Hamilton or Seiko personally, really can’t go wrong there and easily can find these slightly used for even less. If you have a higher budget, look at Omega or Grand Seiko. I saw someone else mention spending good money on nice shoes as well & I agree. Things that last are worth spending a premium for and I see a nice mechanical watch as the same. Don’t need to buy a Rolex to still enjoy a nice watch.
I think it depends on the situation and field. The simple reality is that plenty of Tech billionaires and millionaires will be wearing a T-shirt, jacket, jeans, expensive but comfortable shoes, and an Apple watch (you can get nicer bands). Fancy suits are now reserved for Wall Street, law firms (not even those unless in court) and Congress (except Fetterman). The suit isn't dead but it's on life support. Wearable tech is only going to increase. But yes, everybody who owns a suit can own a watch that looks dressy to go with it.
 
Why wear a watch when you can wear something that can improve your health and still be stylish ?
I wear a Garmin wearable ( there are multiply brands in various prices , sizes , that is are stylish . Even one of my gifted grandsons who designs product for Yuppie consumption likes the style .
You can customize the watch face with a variety of App’s .or design your own and change whenever. you want.
Garmin’s are typically the round style favored by most men vs the Apple or Fit- Bit Rectangular. so It’s hard to distinguish between them and an expensive watch . But they do make a Venu Sq my wife wears .
They’re also waterproof up to 50M .
You can swim or shower without fear. They typically sync with your phone . Garmin works well with Apple or Android some brands sre more specific to either.
They have multiple health functions besides tracking steps . including GPS capability . Coaching features , sleep tracking . Heart Rate , Stress .,Blood Oxygen , VOMax , stairs climbed .and much more. They even can receive phone notifications.
The features you use are up to you.
I preferred Seiko when I worked bought Tags on Cruises . but retired my watches when I became a full time golfer . Since they’re paired with your phone the time is perfect and will change automatically in different time zones .
Since you phone records your data my Docter reviews my data as part of my annual wellness exam . Can a Rolex extend and improve your quality of life ?
 
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Absolutely. When you hand it over to a mugger or car jacker.
I no longer drive, carry more than 20 bucks on me, or wear a watch. Just one credit card and a switch blade. Getting two cars stolen in a year and having my neighbors robbed at gunpoint changes things.
 
I think it depends on the situation and field. The simple reality is that plenty of Tech billionaires and millionaires will be wearing a T-shirt, jacket, jeans, expensive but comfortable shoes, and an Apple watch (you can get nicer bands). Fancy suits are now reserved for Wall Street, law firms (not even those unless in court) and Congress (except Fetterman). The suit isn't dead but it's on life support. Wearable tech is only going to increase. But yes, everybody who owns a suit can own a watch that looks dressy to go with it.
Agreed, obviously there are fields of work still wearing suits every day, but most places have become more casual in nature. I was more so thinking for events that require a suit/nice blazer, sportcoat (weddings, cocktail parties, etc). When you’re wearing a nice suit, it just looks better to have a real watch on imo. If you can afford a decent suit, you should wear nice leather, resoleable dress shoes/loafers with said suit and a watch, it makes the outfit look better. What you wear casually is different; I wear mechanical watches and my garmin Fenix depending on the day. Find myself going for my mechanical watches more tho.
 
Look around on chrono24 to see what you like in your price range. I've been collecting watches for over 15 years and can honestly say that in terms of bang for your buck, Rolex is the leader of the pack, if you can get one at retail. Overpaying for one on the grey market is definitely a YMMV enterprise.

Pick one that speaks to you and that you will want to wear daily. It's fine if you don't wear it but if you don't see yourself wearing it, it's not the right watch for you.

Consider the following:

Movement type: (quartz, automatic, manual). Quartz is the cheapest and a few top brands do have some quartz models, but they are generally not considered luxury. For autos and manuals, look at the power reserve (how long it will run without wearing it or winding it). Research the movement (many are made by Swatch and that's not a bad thing, they just own many famous brands). ETA movements are widely used by brands that don't make their own. Some favor in-house movements, for many it doesn't matter so long as it's reliable. ETA movements are popular for this reason.

Complications: date, day, moonphase, GMT hand, chronograph, world timer, etc. These add price and make winding/resetting more of a hassle. Important if you buy a manual or don't wear your automatic daily. (See power reserve)

Size: This is related to style (dress, sport, tool) and trends. The trend of giant watches (>43mm) has waned, and smaller sizes (36-40mm) are more in fashion but buy what you like. Trends come and go. Classics are classics. 38mm is standard for a dressy watch and 40-42 is very common for sport (divers) and tool watches.

Water Resistance: If you plan on it getting wet 100m minimum, even washing dishes. If you plan on showering/swimming with it (I avoid it)...in the ocean (don't, unless you are a serious scuba guy) look for 300m. I use a $40 timex ironman for beach, swimming. Don't swim with a leather strap.

Brands: You will see what the popular brands are on Chrono24. For a site full of watch nerds, er horology enthusiasts, watchuseek is a good one full of helpful people. Don't overlook lesser known or boutique brands, they can offer some cool stuff at a reasonable price. Unless you are buying a Rolex, Patek, or and AP, don't consider it an investment, as it is guaranteed to lose value over time unless it's some highly desirable limited edition and even then, don't expect it to appreciate. You can absolutely find a quality non-quartz watch for less than $1000. The Hamilton rec is a good one. MIDO is a lesser known but highly respected Swiss brand. Seiko is a good Japanese brand. There is also the concept of an 'homage' watch. It's not exactly a knock off, but brands do copy popular styles from each other. Every major and minor brand has some sort of Daytona panda offering. When Rolex introduced the pastel and candy color faces, many other brands followed suit.

Buy what you like in your price range. it's your watch. Most people will barely notice it. I can try to answer any questions, have fun and be careful about getting sucked into a new hobby. I started wanting a swiss made automatic watch for $500, that turned into a collection of watches under $!000 before it got out of hand. Thankfully I haven't reached the most ridiculous levels where I need to worry about security, but I do own a Rolex and a few other 'luxury models"
Chrono 24 is a great resource and if you are considering going to the grey market to save some cash then Jomashop, Authentic Watches and Atlantic Watch Exchange are good places to shop......I'd say either start cheaper with something like a Hamilton field watch or a Luminox diving watch until you have a better understanding of the watch market.........It's an expensive sickness if you get caught up in it......started with Seiko, Hamilton, Oris, Breitling and next thing you know I've got multiple Rolexes including a new Submariner, a vintage Pepsi and Sky Dweller, an IWC Big Pilot and a Patek Calatrava........could have bought a very nice car with that money......
 
Yeah, I welcomed the trend to dressy sneaker soled shoes honestly. Anything with leather soles is a torture chamber for my feet. Can't even wear them anymore. I agree spending on shoes can help. My Ecco casual/dress shoes will be more comfortable and last longer than Nunn Bush from DSW. Just like my $130 running shoes beat the $60 ones and my Ecco golf shoes are amazing. Quality is real, I just don't link it to fancy brands (to your point with Gucci).
25 years ago, my attitude toward shoes was completely transformed by being properly fitted to well-made comfort footwear, pretty much settling on Ecco for any shoes with laces.

My black, cap toe dress shoes have been perfectly fine for weddings, funerals, and court appearances. I no longer own any leather-soled shoes.
 
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I no longer drive, carry more than 20 bucks on me, or wear a watch. Just one credit card and a switch blade. Getting two cars stolen in a year and having my neighbors robbed at gunpoint changes things.
Chicago still isn't Sao Paulo. The owner of the car company we use there (can't trust cabs) explained the basics. No cash, no watch that looked expensive (even a fake), no fancy suits and if your car is German or a luxury brand it needs to be armored. His fleet was all Hyundai Azerras. He drove me down a street that must have had a dozen armored car shops in 4-5 blocks. The houses in a nice neighborhood had 10 foot walls topped with razor wire and cameras.
 
If your job requires you to project authority or respect or competency and you don't have a specific uniform that projects that for you (ala police officer), then I think expensive fashion can be a means to an end.

It's not an accident that so many lawyers are talking about watches in this thread. Their job is to be persuasive in court/with clients and appear competent in sales. Same with higher level or luxury sales jobs or business managers.

Or if you're in the courting stage of life (or have a partner that prioritizes your fashion as part of their own happiness), that makes sense to me, too.

Otherwise, just collecting watches to me is like hoarding bars of wearable gold. Watch-making or watch-maintaining seem like interesting hobbies, though.
 
Okay, on topic...

Unless i've missed it, there doesn't seem to be any mention of Vacheron Constantin in this thread yet.

The only watch of value that I own is a very understated steel VC that my mother gave as a birthday present to my father half a year after their marriage 76 years ago (it's engraved on the back).

I've always felt that knowing I had a 'good enough' watch with a meaningful backstory set me well for any full-dress fancy occasion, and otherwise 'insulated' me from ever considering the purchase of a luxury watch, which would neither fit my style or resources.

Similarly, I've always assumed that because it wasn't a precious metal, my watch wasn't particularly valuable, but this thread has piqued my interest.

Toward @SubbaBub, @UConn Esq, or anybody else who has an informed pov, what's a good recommendation toward getting more information and a better sense of what I have? I don't know the model or anything else, but a cursory Google look gives me the impression that it might now be worth quite a bit more than I've imagined.

I figure that I ought to at least know, especially with a daughter who would reflexively say, "Sell it, and give me the money," if I were to give her a heads up that it's among some things I've told her aren't just clutter to hastily discard when I move on from this earthly splendor.

I've very rarely worn the watch, though I do like it beyond its "my father's watch" status.

Some time in the late 90s, I sold a non-running Jaeger-LeCoultre reversing face watch (also from my father, but that felt gimmicky and way out of character for me), and used some of the money to have the Vacheron cleaned & such. Last night, I wound it for the first time in more than a decade. It's keeping correct time. It's a nice watch.

Kudos to @B1GEast for a good thread for the days leading up to the Gonzaga game.
 
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Okay, on topic...

Unless i've missed it, there doesn't seem to be any mention of Vacheron Constantin in this thread yet.

The only watch of value that I own is a very understated steel VC that my mother gave as a birthday present to my father half a year after their marriage 76 years ago (it's engraved on the back).

I've always felt that knowing I had a 'good enough' watch with a meaningful backstory set me well for any full-dress fancy occasion, and otherwise 'insulated' me from ever considering the purchase of a luxury watch, which would neither fit my style or resources.

I've always assumed that because it wasn't a precious metal, my watch wasn't particularly valuable, but this thread has piqued my interest.

Toward @SubbaBub, @UConn Esq, or anybody else who has an informed pov, what's a good recommendation toward getting more information and a better sense of what I have? I don't know the model or anything else, but a cursory Google look gives me the impression that it might now be worth quite a bit more than I've imagined.

I figure that I ought to at least know, especially with a daughter who would reflexively say, "Sell it, and give me the money," if I were to give her a heads up that it's among some things I've told her aren't just clutter to hastily discard when I move on from this earthly splendor.

I've very rarely worn the watch, though I do like it beyond its "my father's watch" status.

Some time in the late 90s, I sold a non-running Jaeger-LeCoultre reversing face watch (also from my father, but that felt gimmicky and way out of character for me), and used some of the money to have the Vacheron cleaned & such. Last night, I wound it for the first time in more than a decade. It's keeping correct time. It's a nice watch.

Kudos to @B1GEast for a good thread for the days leading up to the Gonzaga game.
I’m certainly not in the know like some people on this thread would be so hopefully they can chime in for you. But, a good place you could start is probably the Vacheron subreddit (Reddit.com/r/vacheronconstantin). Make a post on there with detailed pictures and ask for more information about what you have. I’m always amazed how much information people can provide on Reddit. I bet there are some people on that subreddit that can help and would know more specific details about your watch. Once you know that information, it’ll probably be easier to know the actual value.
 
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I am now intrigued with watches and getting ads all over the place for brands I never even heard of. To me it is more about form than function what with smart phones and all. Who cares if you have to adjust it once in a while. We spend hours figuring out and changing settings on our smartphones. I'm surprised how much people are willing to spend because if you really like watches, you want a lot of them. So many different types and styles to choose from, it doesn't make sense to me spend big dollars on expensive watches. Unless you are filthy rich, of course.

I never really considered them as investments which also surprised me. I personally have no interest in buying a used watch, it seems kind of personal to me. I will say the actual design and creation of the watches really is amazing.
 
Okay, on topic...

Unless i've missed it, there doesn't seem to be any mention of Vacheron Constantin in this thread yet.

The only watch of value that I own is a very understated steel VC that my mother gave as a birthday present to my father half a year after their marriage 76 years ago (it's engraved on the back).

I've always felt that knowing I had a 'good enough' watch with a meaningful backstory set me well for any full-dress fancy occasion, and otherwise 'insulated' me from ever considering the purchase of a luxury watch, which would neither fit my style or resources.

Similarly, I've always assumed that because it wasn't a precious metal, my watch wasn't particularly valuable, but this thread has piqued my interest.

Toward @SubbaBub, @UConn Esq, or anybody else who has an informed pov, what's a good recommendation toward getting more information and a better sense of what I have? I don't know the model or anything else, but a cursory Google look gives me the impression that it might now be worth quite a bit more than I've imagined.

I figure that I ought to at least know, especially with a daughter who would reflexively say, "Sell it, and give me the money," if I were to give her a heads up that it's among some things I've told her aren't just clutter to hastily discard when I move on from this earthly splendor.

I've very rarely worn the watch, though I do like it beyond its "my father's watch" status.

Some time in the late 90s, I sold a non-running Jaeger-LeCoultre reversing face watch (also from my father, but that felt gimmicky and way out of character for me), and used some of the money to have the Vacheron cleaned & such. Last night, I wound it for the first time in more than a decade. It's keeping correct time. It's a nice watch.

Kudos to @B1GEast for a good thread for the days leading up to the Gonzaga game.
Vacheron was not mentioned because it’s a grail watch and most people are not fortunate enough to be in the presence of a VC. I mean that sincerely. Part of the Trinity with Patek and AP, they are arguably the best watches made (and my personal favorite). Is there any number at all on the case back? I assume not since it was engraved. If not, it likely needs to be opened. There is a VC store in NYC and I believe one in Boston that may be able to help. They will have the catalogs for identification. Luckily VC has been making many of the same lines of watches for (hundreds of) years so you can likely narrow it down that way. When it was serviced does the receipt say anything about models or serials? Usually it’s just like four digits as the code for VC.

Brands like Vacheron follow a different curve for value and it could be incredibly valuable, even if it is not gold. They possess some of the most complicated and unique movements and the fact that it still runs and you have cleaned it relatively recently will help the value. They are also making a [re]surgence at the moment, if that’s even possible, due to the high demand for the Overseas, as the Royal Oak is playing out.
 
Vacheron was not mentioned because it’s a grail watch and most people are not fortunate enough to be in the presence of a VC. I mean that sincerely. Part of the Trinity with Patek and AP, they are arguably the best watches made (and my personal favorite). Is there any number at all on the case back? I assume not since it was engraved. If not, it likely needs to be opened. There is a VC store in NYC and I believe one in Boston that may be able to help. They will have the catalogs for identification. Luckily VC has been making many of the same lines of watches for (hundreds of) years so you can likely narrow it down that way. When it was serviced does the receipt say anything about models or serials? Usually it’s just like four digits as the code for VC.

Brands like Vacheron follow a different curve for value and it could be incredibly valuable, even if it is not gold. They possess some of the most complicated and unique movements and the fact that it still runs and you have cleaned it relatively recently will help the value. They are also making a [re]surgence at the moment, if that’s even possible, due to the high demand for the Overseas, as the Royal Oak is playing out.
Looks like they have a store in Boston on Newbury Street.


Looks like Shreve, Crump & Low on Newbury Street also sells them.

So is Vacherin Constantin considered "high end luxury"? Because after looking at the prices I know I won't be buying one. :)

 
I’m certainly not in the know like some people on this thread would be so hopefully they can chime in for you. But, a good place you could start is probably the Vacheron subreddit (Reddit.com/r/vacheronconstantin). Make a post on there with detailed pictures and ask for more information about what you have. I’m always amazed how much information people can provide on Reddit. I bet there are some people on that subreddit that can help and would know more specific details about your watch. Once you know that information, it’ll probably be easier to know the actual value.
Thanks for this suggestion.

From this and the earlier mention of a subreddit for watches, I now sense that, "Look for a subreddit" is a good all-purpose companion tool for, "Look for a YouTube video."

It makes me laugh to think back a few years when I sensed a possible Aha moment and rushed to my youngest niece like I'd discovered something and excitedly asked her something goofy like, "Wait, is this what that Reddit thing is?" She was very kind and confirmed my impression of what Reddit might be or be used for. I imagine that no others among her parents, in-laws, or their siblings know (or care) what Reddit is.
 
I am now intrigued with watches and getting ads all over the place for brands I never even heard of. To me it is more about form than function what with smart phones and all. Who cares if you have to adjust it once in a while. We spend hours figuring out and changing settings on our smartphones. I'm surprised how much people are willing to spend because if you really like watches, you want a lot of them. So many different types and styles to choose from, it doesn't make sense to me spend big dollars on expensive watches. Unless you are filthy rich, of course.

I never really considered them as investments which also surprised me. I personally have no interest in buying a used watch, it seems kind of personal to me. I will say the actual design and creation of the watches really is amazing.
I would have preferred buying my IWC new, but I'm not going to spend $8-10k on a watch. I was able to pick up a used 2-3 year old IWC for less than half of the grey market retail. It's cleaned and buffed, you can't tell it was pre-owned and I felt good saving $4k. Likely, it was rarely if ever worn!
 

Looks like Shreve, Crump & Low on Newbury Street also sells them.

Shreve Crump & Low has a store at 125 Greenwich Avenue. Can get a slice at Grigg Street pizza after shopping, tie the 2 threads together.
 
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So is Vacherin Constantin considered "high end luxury"? Because after looking at the prices I know I won't be buying one. :)
They are one of the premiere brands. Not just in price but in reputation. VC has been making watches since the 1750s and even back then they were considered the luxury watches of the time.
 
Chrono 24 is a great resource and if you are considering going to the grey market to save some cash then Jomashop, Authentic Watches and Atlantic Watch Exchange are good places to shop......I'd say either start cheaper with something like a Hamilton field watch or a Luminox diving watch until you have a better understanding of the watch market.........It's an expensive sickness if you get caught up in it......started with Seiko, Hamilton, Oris, Breitling and next thing you know I've got multiple Rolexes including a new Submariner, a vintage Pepsi and Sky Dweller, an IWC Big Pilot and a Patek Calatrava........could have bought a very nice car with that money......
That’s the place that I like!
 
Vacheron was not mentioned because it’s a grail watch and most people are not fortunate enough to be in the presence of a VC. I mean that sincerely. Part of the Trinity with Patek and AP, they are arguably the best watches made (and my personal favorite). Is there any number at all on the case back? I assume not since it was engraved. If not, it likely needs to be opened. There is a VC store in NYC and I believe one in Boston that may be able to help. They will have the catalogs for identification. Luckily VC has been making many of the same lines of watches for (hundreds of) years so you can likely narrow it down that way. When it was serviced does the receipt say anything about models or serials? Usually it’s just like four digits as the code for VC.

Brands like Vacheron follow a different curve for value and it could be incredibly valuable, even if it is not gold. They possess some of the most complicated and unique movements and the fact that it still runs and you have cleaned it relatively recently will help the value. They are also making a [re]surgence at the moment, if that’s even possible, due to the high demand for the Overseas, as the Royal Oak is playing out.
TYVM.

I'm hopeful that for simplicity's sake I'll locate the service receipt (from NYC VC) in a file folder, in a transfile box, in a stack of them, all recently relocated, and none yet unpacked. Ugh.

Writing my post and reading your reply served as risk & reward around an intuition that it'd be worthwhile to candidly admit my level of ignorance.

I could have been showcasing myself as uncomprehending and foolish, but instead seem to have located myself inside of an unintentional humble brag premised almost entirely entirely on the pure luck of 'picking the right parents.' I really didn't know in advance, and was prepared for either, though this feels pretty gratifying with more to come.
 
Guns are obviously much more useful but I don't want to carry. If they get the jump on me and have a gun to my head I'm obviously giving up my phone and wallet.
Hand grenades make a great equalizer and are a marvelous stocking stuffer!
That comment about the phone... At what time in history did the general public walk around with a portable item that costs a month's paycheck? I "have" a Rolex, inherited it from the Father-in-Law. The scare quotes are for, it's still in Italy, and I asked that it be sold and the proceeds go to charity.
 
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