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BlueDogs said:
If you cant recruit the speed, you do the next best thing. Recruit size and moderate speed, control the football and beat the hell out of the other team. That can get you to the top 25 with a few good skill players. It wont let you beat the best because they have both size and speed. Once you are in the conversation as a credible program, though, then you can recruit up.

I don't care what the offense looks like, as long as the are winning games....that makes an offense fun.
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I strongly disagree. There is no reason why UConn can't have an exciting offense. Run or pass...doesn't matter...just score points. You don't need five star athletes to do that....you just need a creative innovative coach. UConn needs to put on a good show to get fans back and win new fans. Hardcore football fans (the only ones left on this board) may be fine with the just grind it out mentality. UConn needs to attract the casual fans...and they aren't going to watch grind it out games.

High scoring offense should mean more fans...more fans will hopefully bring more energy to the program. More energy hopefully helps conference positioning.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
I strongly disagree. There is no reason why UConn can't have an exciting offense. Run or pass...doesn't matter...just score points. You don't need five star athletes to do that....you just need a creative innovative coach. UConn needs to put on a good show to get fans back and win new fans. Hardcore football fans (the only ones left on this board) may be fine with the just grind it out mentality. UConn needs to attract the casual fans...and they aren't going to watch grind it out games.

High scoring offense should mean more fans...more fans will hopefully bring more energy to the program. More energy hopefully helps conference positioning.
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This is a terrific post. Right on pint. The "Grind it Out" is old school and just not the way the game is played today - and, definitely how the recruiting (for the best athletes) is played.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
I strongly disagree. There is no reason why UConn can't have an exciting offense. Run or pass...doesn't matter...just score points. You don't need five star athletes to do that....you just need a creative innovative coach. UConn needs to put on a good show to get fans back and win new fans. Hardcore football fans (the only ones left on this board) may be fine with the just grind it out mentality. UConn needs to attract the casual fans...and they aren't going to watch grind it out games.

High scoring offense should mean more fans...more fans will hopefully bring more energy to the program. More energy hopefully helps conference positioning.
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I'll take a rock solid competent coach to start. We are gong to find out if we have one real soon or just a great BS'er. BD used up his mulligans and then some. In retrospect, I'm pretty certain, the season would have been more productive with Weist at the helm. Intense, disciplinarian and somebody with OC experience who produced at rock bottom, before BD brought us to another level of bottom.
 
TouchdownHusky said:
This is a terrific post. Right on pint. The "Grind it Out" is old school and just not the way the game is played today - and, definitely how the recruiting (for the best athletes) is played.
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If Alabama/Kiffin had stooped down to play the old school, outdated boring old "grind it out" football for one or two drives they, not Ohio State, would be in the championship game. You have to do both. (Notice I am not advocating "grind it out" for four quarters.) Speed complements physical smashmouth football and vice versa. If an offense has both attributes it really puts pressure on the opposing defense.
 
junglehusky said:
If Alabama/Kiffin had stooped down to play the old school, outdated boring old "grind it out" football for one or two drives they, not Ohio State, would be in the championship game. You have to do both. (Notice I am not advocating "grind it out" for four quarters.) Speed complements physical smashmouth football and vice versa. If an offense has both attributes it really puts pressure on the opposing defense.
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I agree. For Alabama. Not for UConn. UConn isn't playing for the national championship....they are playing for survival. If UConn is playing for the national championship, I think strategically mixing in a more conservative approach may make sense. I was okay with Edsall playing that style in the past.

But UConn is fighting for its programs life, and playing conservative isn't going to attract fans, recruits or conference invites. I think you are missing my key point which is style points matter. It isn't just about being a strong stable hard nosed football program anymore. The program needs a jolt of energy. And winning or losing 10-7 isn't going to do it. And all the new offensive coaches in the conference are going to make UConn look like more of a dinosaur.

I just hope there is a vision by BD and his staff to put a more exciting product on the field. The jury is still out, but I am hoping that Brian Kelley has been enough of an influence on BD to help him understand the importance of offense.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
6-6 running oregon's offense is 100 times better than 6-6 running Edsall offense. I really hope that Diaco understands that it does matter how you win if he wants the fans back. Bend don't break defense with three yards and a cloud of dust offense is not going to cut it.
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If he doesn't figure this out by next year, he'll never get it. He'll just be another stubborn, dogmatic coach who doesn't want to acknowledge how the contemporary college game is played effectively.
 
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What's the old adage? "Offense attracts fans but defense wins championships." UConn has descended to the depths of the FBS canyon & needs to attract back its fans. Playing exciting & uptempo football would do that. Just look at Oregon & Boise as examples. They have rabid fan bases due to their success & their box scores read like a pin ball machine with TOMMY at the helm.
 
I find it amusing that the closest UCONN has ever been to the Oregon style offense is when we had Tyler Lorenzen at QB, yet we often have people here describing how limited (and boring) that offense was.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
I find it amusing that the closest UCONN has ever been to the Oregon style offense is when we had Tyler Lorenzen at QB, yet we often have people here describing how limited (and boring) that offense was.
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You are easily amused.

You seem to be missing the point. It's not about style of offense...it's about points. Everyone would be happy to watch the Lorenzen offense that ran all day versus buffalo in the bowl game. That offense scored points. But there were many games with Lorenzen that it was obvious if we couldn't run, the team couldn't score more than 10 points. Post Lorenzen through PP (except for a few Easley games) the approach has been conservative offense and strong defense.

I think what people, including myself, are worried about is that Diaco is a defensive coach and he will run a super conservative offense. This conversation is not so much to bitch about the past, but to discuss what is best for the future.
 
@ShakyTheMohel, there was a game against Pitt at the Rent where Tyler couldn't complete a three yd pass his thumb was so bad. We could do next to nothing offensively that day.

The point still remains you need drives that end in TDs vs FG attempts or punts to "flip" the field/gain field position. Simply put, today's high powered offenses could care less about time of possession. So you had the ball for seven minutes and ended up missing a FG attempt, they score in a minute nineteen seconds. Enjoy your time of possession advantage.
 
metsfan2323 said:
We scored more points per game with TL than any other QB, including Danny O.
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Hi I'm mets2323 and I make up.

UConn points per game:
2002 - 31.1
2003 - 34.0
2004 - 30.2
2007 - 26.5
2008 - 24.9

Not only are you wrong... but if you compare it to the national averages, in 2003 UConn was 18th in FBS and by 2008 they were 65th.

Good job. Good Effort.

It's called Google - try it sometime.
 
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noeynox said:
@ShakyTheMohel, there was a game against Pitt at the Rent where Tyler couldn't complete a three yd pass his thumb was so bad. We could do next to nothing offensively that day.

The point still remains you need drives that end in TDs vs FG attempts or punts to "flip" the field/gain field position. Simply put, today's high powered offenses could care less about time of possession. So you had the ball for seven minutes and ended up missing a FG attempt, they score in a minute nineteen seconds. Enjoy your time of possession advantage.
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Doesn't matter if it was score 10 years ago or today, if you score more points than your opponent you win. This includes "high powered" offenses or otherwise.
 
coachcap said:
What's the old adage? "Offense attracts fans but defense wins championships." UConn has descended to the depths of the FBS canyon & needs to attract back its fans. Playing exciting & uptempo football would do that. Just look at Oregon & Boise as examples. They have rabid fan bases due to their success & their box scores read like a pin ball machine with TOMMY at the helm.
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If I can have one or another I would choose championships in front of 100 fans...I dont need to see a rabid fanbase to get excited about UConn FB again, I need games when I pull in to tailgate thinking 'we could win this one'.
 
In the words of Bear Bryant, luck follows speed or to put it another way, “A good, quick, small team can beat a big, slow team any time.”
 
Bonehead said:
If I can have one or another I would choose championships in front of 100 fans...I dont need to see a rabid fanbase to get excited about UConn FB again, I need games when I pull in to tailgate thinking 'we could win this one'.
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Missing the point. The question isn't "would you rather watch an exciting team...or a team that wins games?". The question IS....would you rather win games with a boring offense...or win games with an exciting offense?".

No one on here is saying sacrifice wins for excitement. Just that you can get wins in many ways....and with where football is evolving....putting up points is valued by both fans and recruits. So lets play a style that puts up points AND wins.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Missing the point. The question isn't "would you rather watch an exciting team...or a team that wins games?". The question IS....would you rather win games with a boring offense...or win games with an exciting offense?".

No one on here is saying sacrifice wins for excitement. Just that you can get wins in many ways....and with where football is evolving....putting up points is valued by both fans and recruits. So lets play a style that puts up points AND wins.
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thats all well and good if you believe we can accomplish two things - I am focusing on accomplishing one thing right now! :-)

I dont care how we win - just win. I dont need watch 50+ points on the board to be excited - I can be excited with a 10-9 victory...and these teams that like to put up the numbers seem to lack defense when needed - TCU and Baylor as examples...
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
The question IS....would you rather win games with a boring offense...or win games with an exciting offense?"
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Is this an actual question? Seems like a rhetorical question to me.
 
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ShakyTheMohel said:
The question IS....would you rather win games with a boring offense...or win games with an exciting offense?"
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Is this an actual question? Seems like a rhetorical question to me.
 
Bonehead said:
thats all well and good if you believe we can accomplish two things - I am focusing on accomplishing one thing right now! :)

I dont care how we win - just win. I dont need watch 50+ points on the board to be excited - I can be excited with a 10-9 victory...and these teams that like to put up the numbers seem to lack defense when needed - TCU and Baylor as examples...
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I appreciate that....and in the past I was on the same page as you.

I think the difference is that you are just thinking about your needs...not the greater good for the school. You may be happy with winning 10-9 in front of 20,000 fans, but that isn't going to attract recruits or fans. UConn needs desperately to get into a real conference. Without fan support....that is going to be very hard. WM has spoken about the importance of fan support in conference affiliation. It will be a lot easier getting fan support with an exciting product on the field. You may find 10-9 exciting...the casual fan doesn't. UConn needs the casual fan....they already have you.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
I appreciate that....and in the past I was on the same page as you.

I think the difference is that you are just thinking about your needs...not the greater good for the school. You may be happy with winning 10-9 in front of 20,000 fans, but that isn't going to attract recruits or fans. UConn needs desperately to get into a real conference. Without fan support....that is going to be very hard. WM has spoken about the importance of fan support in conference affiliation. It will be a lot easier getting fan support with an exciting product on the field. You may find 10-9 exciting...the casual fan doesn't. UConn needs the casual fan....they already have you.
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I see your point about the 'product', I do...with that said, and we will never know; we win every game 10-9 and go 12-0 and to a final 8 game (future thinking) there will be plenty of fans and recruits alike - we win 55-49 and lose 63-44, 51-38, 44-31 and go 2-10 we aint seeing a change, IMO.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
It is an actual question...Bonehead says he doesn't care....I think we should care.
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Winning trumps anything. And while we should care, there was a full stadium when LSU beat Alabama 6-3, because they were undefeated and both ranked in the top 5. Trust me if we are 11-0 and in the top 5 nobody will care if we win 6-3.
 
J187Money said:
Winning trumps anything. And while we should care, there was a full stadium when LSU beat Alabama 6-3, because they were undefeated and both ranked in the top 5. Trust me if we are 11-0 and in the top 5 nobody will care if we win 6-3.
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tdhusky will...
 
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J187Money said:
Winning trumps anything. And while we should care, there was a full stadium when LSU beat Alabama 6-3, because they were undefeated and both ranked in the top 5. Trust me if we are 11-0 and in the top 5 nobody will care if we win 6-3.
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Well...first of all...UConn could be 11-0 and they won't be in the top 5. My guess they would be like Marshall last year...maybe in top 20. And...do you really want to use LSU and Alabama as an example of filing the stadium with a boring game? They fill the stadium when they suck...it isn't exactly the same situation at the Rent. Completely different situation

I am on board with the statement that if UConn goes 11-0...I don't care how they got there. Here is the deal though....they have never gone 11-0 and they probably won't in the near future. The near future is important to long term stability. More likely....UConn will go 7-5....8-4 in a good year. I think we would all sign up for that record next year. I still say there is a big impact to fan support if UConn goes 7-5 playing a high scoring offense versus going 7-5 playing low scoring games.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Well...first of all...UConn could be 11-0 and they won't be in the top 5. My guess they would be like Marshall last year...maybe in top 20. And...do you really want to use LSU and Alabama as an example of filing the stadium with a boring game? They fill the stadium when they suck...it isn't exactly the same situation at the Rent. Completely different situation

I am on board with the statement that if UConn goes 11-0...I don't care how they got there. Here is the deal though....they have never gone 11-0 and they probably won't in the near future. The near future is important to long term stability. More likely....UConn will go 7-5....8-4 in a good year. I think we would all sign up for that record next year. I still say there is a big impact to fan support if UConn goes 7-5 playing a high scoring offense versus going 7-5 playing low scoring games.
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If we are 7-5 the HOW matters a lot.
 
Worrying about where UConn would be ranked if they were 11-0 is sort of like worrying about what position I'm going to use first when Jennifer Lawrence spends a weekend in the Hamptons with me next summer.

It's the sort of bridge you can cross when you get there.
 
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