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Fans here seem to need someone to blame, anyone. There are 2 ways you move forward in life - you pull yourself up, or you push someone else down. Many here seem to prefer the latter. This is a gut test for the state, the U, the Prez, the AD, the donors, and the fans. I am incredibly interested to see how all of those react to the situation.
 

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As terrible as PP and GDL do people really believe they are part of the reason we got passed over? Do you think these other conferences are looking at a 60 something year old duo and making a decision based on that? They are both dead men walking for .
Not specifically. But for folks who want to believe the narrative that we are small time and insignificant in football, the last two years under their watch reinforces that view.
 
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As terrible as PP and GDL do people really believe they are part of the reason we got passed over? Do you think these other conferences are looking at a 60 something year old duo and making a decision based on that? They are both dead men walking for .

Tos some degree, yes. Two or three years ago, UConn was a shoe-in to go to the ACC over Louisville. Louisville had just been Kragthorped and their football was awful. And, UConn men's and women's basketball were better. Do you think WVU goes to the Big 12 without their two BCS wins? Or, TCU goes to the Big 12 if they hadn't upgraded their football program?

The message has been sent: Conferences want schools to have relevant football programs and be focused on improvement. With PP and GDL, you really have to question UConn's LT commitment to football improvement as there is no evidence that they are improving UConn football in any way.
 
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current success matters

The Louisville loss at home to PP and GDL should have made a difference then.

Sure, you can point to Ville's overall record, but it is an illusion. Weak schedule, weak team, blown out by an even weaker Syracuse.

They are about to lose to Florida by much much worse than what Oklahoma did to UConn.

I doubt that loss to UConn impressed people.
 
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Tos some degree, yes. Two or three years ago, UConn was a shoe-in to go to the ACC over Louisville. Louisville had just been Kragthorped and their football was awful. And, UConn men's and women's basketball were better. Do you think WVU goes to the Big 12 without their two BCS wins? Or, TCU goes to the Big 12 if they hadn't upgraded their football program?

The message has been sent: Conferences want schools to have relevant football programs and be focused on improvement. With PP and GDL, you really have to question UConn's LT commitment to football improvement as there is no evidence that they are improving UConn football in any way.

What about Pitt, Cuse, and Rutgers? Do they get their invites without their multiple BCS bowl bids?
 
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As terrible as PP and GDL do people really believe they are part of the reason we got passed over? Do you think these other conferences are looking at a 60 something year old duo and making a decision based on that? They are both dead men walking for .

Tos some degree, yes. Two or three years ago, UConn was a shoe-in to go to the ACC over Louisville. Louisville had just been Kragthorped and their football was awful. And, UConn men's and women's basketball were better. Do you think WVU goes to the Big 12 without their two BCS wins? Or, TCU goes to the Big 12 if they hadn't upgraded their football program?

The message has been sent: Conferences want schools to have relevant football programs and be focused on improvement. With PP and GDL, you really have to question UConn's LT commitment to football improvement as there is no evidence that they are improving UConn football in any way.

Good points UconnJim. PP is a huge part of UConn's plight. Not GDL. He's only an assistant coach and as bad as he's been, he still has a job because PP is so inept (he hired him and won't fire him). PP has rendered this football program a disaster area - a pile of ruins. But it's not all him.

JH was the moron who offered PP the job. Never, ever should have happened. Paul was not the right man for this job. Wasn't then and definitely not now. Also bad luck factors in - JC got old, had health issues and had to retire. Throw in the NCAA crucifixtion of the hoops program (the Nate Miles penalties, the GPA crap, the NCAA tourney ban, the Big East tourney ban) and you have that program taking on water at an alarming rate. Better hope Geno sticks around or the girls' program will soon follow (Think it not possible,think again. Anyone see this coming when UConn won its first NC back in '99?).
Now we got Emmanuel "Mr Monitor" Warde who keeps this death spiral going by sticking with PP.

Why not just do away with athletics at UConn? The situation can't have been managed more poorly.
 
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As terrible as PP and GDL do people really believe they are part of the reason we got passed over? Do you think these other conferences are looking at a 60 something year old duo and making a decision based on that? They are both dead men walking for .

Perception matters. We suck, thanks to Hathaway, DeLeone, Pasqualoni and to some extent, Edsall. You think Louisville gets the call after year two of the Kragthorpe era? Strong and Jurich have the arrow pointed up. Manuel, Pasqualoni and the rest of the clowns who are, and have been in charge of our football program couldn't possibly have the arrow pointed any more straight down. Thus, we wait. If we were 9-3 and headed to the Orange Bowl right now, we'd have been picked by the ACC. Clemson, FSU and GTech think we are inferior football program, so they balked. Hard to argue that point while we not only sit here boasting the nation's 117th ranked offense for the second consecutive year, but then exacerbate the clusterf_uck by not even making a change at OC.

We suck. Hard.
#SuckHarder Warde. That'll show' em!
 
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Perception matters. We suck, thanks to Hathaway, DeLeone, Pasqualoni and to some extent, Edsall. You think Louisville gets the call after year two of the Kragthorpe era? Strong and Jurich have the arrow pointed up. Manuel, Pasqualoni and the rest of the clowns who are, and have been in charge of our football program couldn't possibly have the arrow pointed any more straight down. Thus, we wait. If we were 9-3 and headed to the Orange Bowl right now, we'd have been picked by the ACC. Clemson, FSU and GTech think we are inferior football program, so they balked. Hard to argue that point while we not only sit here boasting the nation's 117th ranked offense for the second consecutive year, but then exacerbate the clusterf_uck by not even making a change at OC.

We suck. Hard.
#SuckHarder Warde. That'll show' em!

This is just a thought. But maybe they see a fickle fanbase who just doesn't support this program like Ville fans do.

What was there at the XL last week for the men's game? 6k?
 
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The timing couldnt have been worse for us.
tourney ban
2 under .500 FB seasons
calhoun retires
idiot football coach (which everyone has at one point or another...but we happen to have NOW)

all these things just happened to happen exactly when we needed to LOOK good. instead we look unstable, small-time and incompetent.
 
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Not specifically. But for folks who want to believe the narrative that we are small time and insignificant in football, the last two years under their watch reinforces that view.
Mike, news flash. We are small time and insignificant in football. Start there. No one needs the last two years to reinforce that. We had a night on the big stage, and we flopped. When Boise State played OK a few years back, they won on a combination of trick plays, and the fact that OK was not exactly pysched for the game. But they took their time on the stage and performed well. And most of the country still thinks that BSU is small time and not too significant. BSU can't get a simple invite to the B12. Compare that to us. The narrative is the narrative, and it's not off base, either. We are years away. There is work to do. Grab a coffee can and start bailing.
 
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Fans here seem to need someone to blame, anyone. There are 2 ways you move forward in life - you pull yourself up, or you push someone else down. Many here seem to prefer the latter. This is a gut test for the state, the U, the Prez, the AD, the donors, and the fans. I am incredibly interested to see how all of those react to the situation.


And based on our States stellar track record of proper future planning and fiscal responsibility, you think we should be excited about the CT "PASSING" this test? Hell, I'd be excited if they just showed up to take the test!! How about if we just start there!!??
 
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The timing couldnt have been worse for us.
tourney ban
2 under .500 FB seasons
calhoun retires
idiot football coach (which everyone has at one point or another...but we happen to have NOW)

all these things just happened to happen exactly when we needed to LOOK good. instead we look unstable, small-time and incompetent.

It's this more than anything else. Almost like the Perfect Storm against UConn athletics. A combination of terrible things at the worst possible time.
 
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This is just a thought. But maybe they see a fickle fanbase who just doesn't support this program like Ville fans do.

What was there at the XL last week for the men's game? 6k?

An epiphany!!!! Yeah that's it. UConn is in a world of sh-- because we are a fickle fanbase. Yeah, we are demanding more of our program, so it must be our fault. Yeah that's it. We don't arrive in our seats before kickoff and we don't stay til the bitter end. Yeah, that's it. And, we are discontent with crappy schedule of Texas Southerns, Maines, Hofstras, Fordhams and Buffalos, so it's gotta be the fans.
I'll take the hit, if they will fire PP because we don't deserve such a fine coach who has many years (many, many, many, many) in the trenches.
 

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Much like the thought of expanding the Rent AFTER we've been invited to a major conference, the same could be said about our coaching situation. I think Warde is delaying his coaching decisions until after we have a better idea of where UConn athletics are headed (ACC, B1G or B12). Each conference plays a different style and we will need a coaching staff that can compete with the different playing styles of whatever conference we end up in.
 
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An epiphany!!!! Yeah that's it. UConn is in a world of sh-- because we are a fickle fanbase. Yeah, we are demanding more of our program, so it must be our fault. Yeah that's it. We don't arrive in our seats before kickoff and we don't stay til the bitter end. Yeah, that's it. And, we are discontent with crappy schedule of Texas Southerns, Maines, Hofstras, Fordhams and Buffalos, so it's gotta be the fans.
I'll take the hit, if they will fire PP because we don't deserve such a fine coach who has many years (many, many, many, many) in the trenches.

As usual, you completely miss the point. The people who post here are not the problem. But if you want to sit there and proclaim that we have a strong fanbase (and yes, that includes the thousands who don't post here) then you are just in denial.

We were having trouble filling Gampel prior to the tourney ban and JC retiring, so that excuse is getting old. Back in the 90's you couldn't get a ticket to UConn basketball no matter who or where they played. The fanbase was rabid. But like everything else in this state, once the novelty wore off people found something better to do and spend their money on.
 
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Debbie Downer moved to Connecticut, apparently.

The fundamentals are still better at UConn than the cohort we're compared against. Take BC, Cuse, Ville, Cincy, Pitt, Rutgers, and compare. Most of those teams are in good conferences so they can outperform UConn now, but if you start from zero affiliation, UConn has the best facilities, the fanbase, the money, the academics, the growth potential. What it doesn't have with respect to football is the talent base that Pitt, Rutgers and Ville have. It has as much enthusiasm for football as any of the other schools but Ville. It has the best research other than Rutgers and Pitt, and its academics are considered higher than Rutgers. It has the best facilities for football on campus, and it may do it for bball soon. The Rent is and always will be a huge huge detraction, and it shows the shortsightedness of the builders at the time that that many millions would be spent on an entity that would count against the whole enterprise many years later. Other than that, there is no professional sports team in Ct., which is something you can only say about Louisville and Cuse, but the Conn. population and TV households are much larger than Cuse and Ville's.

I'm not saying the future is bright. It is not. A confluence of factors (mainly BC's fear of UConn) contributed to this situation. But if you take UConn's performance in BE football, and add it to men's basketball, it comes out ahead of every single school listed. Again, this isn't a proud achievement on the football side, but it speaks to the horridness of BE football.
 
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As terrible as PP and GDL do people really believe they are part of the reason we got passed over? Do you think these other conferences are looking at a 60 something year old duo and making a decision based on that? They are both dead men walking for .

If that was directed at me, then NO, 60 something coaches have little to do with the decision. Just on the side, what message are we sending about our program if we are willing to allow two "dead men walking" to continue with this debacle?? It says were small time and not serious in a time where football is everything and nothing else matters. Not a good message, nonetheless...
 
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I'm still trying to figure out how Cincinnati hiring an OC is "outmaneuvering" us. I heard Marquette hired a new sociology professor, I guess they're outmaneuvering us too. It's amazing how overly dramatic some people can be.
 
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We were having trouble filling Gampel prior to the tourney ban and JC retiring, so that excuse is getting old. Back in the 90's you couldn't get a ticket to UConn basketball no matter who or where they played. The fanbase was rabid. But like everything else in this state, once the novelty wore off people found something better to do and spend their money on.

I won't disagree with you on this phenomena and can't explain it myself. I do, however, think that in a small part the men's hoops program was deserted in part by the success of the women's team. How so? Let me count some of the ways:

1.) Almost immediately after "turning the corner" in the early 90s, the women had a non-stop, steady parade of the very best of the best in terms of recruits. Geno is that program and watch out if and when he leaves.

2). The crowd for UConn women was quite a bit different than for the men's team. They tended to be more along the lines of Brownie Troups and Senior Citizens. They tended to embrace the players - who didn't want to take Rebecca Lobo or Jen Rizzotti home for dinner or (in the case of the Brownies) for a birthday party? Not quite the same reaction to the men's team (what laptops?) even among the more fervant loyalists.

3.) The women's program never had to face early defections to the NBA (one, two or three at a time) or academic ineligibility. So when the '07 team, for example, struggled with a bunch of freshman and one or two sophs, people seemed to abandon the men and jump over to the women. Everyone loves a winner.

4.) The women's fans - at least the noveau fans - just had no concept of how different the mens' game is from the womens'. Heck, it was nothing for Tennessee and Uconn each to sign 3 or 4 of the top 10 rated high school players each season (very different from the men's bb teams who are happy to get 1 from the top 10 and 2 from the top 20, etc). It's also different in that there is little pariety in women's hoops. UConn regularly blew out their closest competition (in poll ratings) by double digits (sometimes 20+). Just doesn't happen often in men's hoops.

5. The apparent phenomena that 10 baskets are used at a time between 20 players from each team on the floor at the same time. UConn and Tennesse and the elite programs continue not only to get the top players each year, but the top players in mini-vanfuls. Doesn't matter that not all of these girls can play at once their OK being cheerleaders for their team. So different from men, where often times the decision of where a kid will go depends on who the program is returning and who else they've recruited. "If I ain't playin' right off, I'm headed somewhere else. I gotta get me to the NBA, tick-tock". In any event it insures that the women's team will be in the mix for National Championships for year to come.

6.) And finally (and for me admittedly), the game for the women is more like the basketball we knew. Passing, team oriented (none of this, I gotta get mine cuz I'm going to the NBA), far more self-less - rewarding layups, foul shooting and jump shots and far less emphasis on "the dunk" (look what I can do, I'm 6'9"), the block, and the "posterizing".
 
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I'm still trying to figure out how Cincinnati hiring an OC is "outmaneuvering" us..
It's not the hiring but who they hired. When you hire Tuberville, a name head coach and then he grabs the assistant head coach at freaking Florida St to be his OC, that speaks loudly to the headline reading crowd. It says "Wow, Cincy is serious!"
It's all about perception and we aren't playing that game too well.
 
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It's not the hiring but who they hired. When you hire Tuberville, a name head coach and then he grabs the assistant head coach at freaking Florida St to be his OC, that speaks loudly to the headline reading crowd. It says "Wow, Cincy is serious!"
It's all about perception and we aren't playing that game too well.

Amazing how some dont have the ability to understand this point, just amazing!!!!!!
 
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As terrible as PP and GDL do people really believe they are part of the reason we got passed over? Do you think these other conferences are looking at a 60 something year old duo and making a decision based on that? They are both dead men walking for .

Yes.

The fact that we suck in football right now is why we were passed over for Ville. It was all about football and the past 2 seasons have been enough for the entire nation to forget all the good that came before. If we were winning and had gone bowling the past 2 seasons we would be in the ACC today.
 
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