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(LINK) Ohio State $37m in the red for sports

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When you're at $300m with your budget, you may have a spending problem.

AND ironically this doesn't even count the money they spend on facilities, and you'll notice they mention branding as a revenue source.

I very much agree that sports drives the great sale of sweatshirts and such, but even non-sports universities like NYU and Rutgers sell some merch, especially to students.
 
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The article provides the details of the deficit. OSU played only 6 home football games last year, the fewest in 20 years. OSU had a massive buyout from their former basketball coach. There would have still been a deficit despite these two events, but those two events are a big part of why it was the size it was.
 
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Doesn't Ohio State generate the most athletic revenue out of any school?

If they can't even break even, what chance do the rest of us have?
 
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The article provides the details of the deficit. OSU played only 6 home football games last year, the fewest in 20 years. OSU had a massive buyout from their former basketball coach. There would have still been a deficit despite these two events, but those two events are a big part of why it was the size it was.
But we are talking about $300m here.

Think about it this way, they generate $300m and still won't spend any of that for their own facilities. They generate $300m and still expect that all the school's branding belongs to them. You would think with $300m they would maybe not spend $10m of it so as to pay down the debt interest on the facilities.
 
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All these P2 programs will be locked into higher expenses and travel and financial commitments. Then the networks can start to pull the rug back until the revenue bubble bursts.



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All these P2 programs will be locked into higher expenses and travel and financial commitments. Then the networks can start to pull the rug back until the revenue bubble bursts.



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Corrections always come.

They should prepare for bad times by creating a reserve fund.

Because when that correction comes, who is going to be left holding the bag? The size of these budgets are now staggering. If they go $50m in the hole, where are they going to get the money?
 
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Doesn't Ohio State generate the most athletic revenue out of any school?

If they can't even break even, what chance do the rest of us have?

Big time college athletics remains a mostly losing or break-even proposition. That's because there is no incentive to make a profit for the university. Everything goes back to the athletics machinery to keep up with the other programs.

I don't know how this is all going to end but I always wonder how can all this be sustainable long-term? Everyone involved in the business of collegiate athletics is making money except the departments/universities themselves.
 
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Big time college athletics remains a mostly losing or break-even proposition. That's because there is no incentive to make a profit for the university. Everything goes back to the athletics machinery to keep up with the other programs.

I don't know how this is all going to end but I always wonder how can all this be sustainable long-term? Everyone involved in the business of collegiate athletics is making money except the departments/universities themselves.
When have college athletic programs made money? Do any D2 or D3 schools make money on sports? No, but many of them would argue that they are attracting students to the school who play sports and pay tuition. And, athletics, specifically basketball, have helped make UConn the school it is today. Obviously, there is a limit to how much athletics can lose at a given college/university, but don't expect athletics to make money except at a very few schools.
 

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Big time college athletics remains a mostly losing or break-even proposition. That's because there is no incentive to make a profit for the university. Everything goes back to the athletics machinery to keep up with the other programs.

I don't know how this is all going to end but I always wonder how can all this be sustainable long-term? Everyone involved in the business of collegiate athletics is making money except the departments/universities themselves.

It will be “sustainable” until it’s not.

When it’s not, it will unravel with blinding speed.
 
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When have college athletic programs made money? Do any D2 or D3 schools make money on sports? No, but many of them would argue that they are attracting students to the school who play sports and pay tuition. And, athletics, specifically basketball, have helped make UConn the school it is today. Obviously, there is a limit to how much athletics can lose at a given college/university, but don't expect athletics to make money except at a very few schools.
The problem we're touching on is that the growth of the budgets/spending are like tumors metastasizing inside the schools. So when you "there's a limit to how much athletics can lose" we are now at a point where any pullback from the network or fans will cause an enormous rupture in school budgets. Think of what happened in West Virginia, but now it's 10x worse.
 
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Big time college athletics remains a mostly losing or break-even proposition. That's because there is no incentive to make a profit for the university. Everything goes back to the athletics machinery to keep up with the other programs.

I don't know how this is all going to end but I always wonder how can all this be sustainable long-term? Everyone involved in the business of collegiate athletics is making money except the departments/universities themselves.
If you think Ohio State football and UConn basketball haven't made money for the schools you're nuts. They've made tons of money for the schools and the states.
 

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The problem we're touching on is that the growth of the budgets/spending are like tumors metastasizing inside the schools. So when you "there's a limit to how much athletics can lose" we are now at a point where any pullback from the network or fans will cause an enormous rupture in school budgets. Think of what happened in West Virginia, but now it's 10x worse.

Even the biggest publics are on the edge of a knife in terms of their budgets.

The federal government and nearly every state government has spent itself to the brink and there will be a reckoning for higher education as a result. Less money, fewer people graduating out of high schools yearly….a school like Rutgers which has obligated itself to a mountain of athletic debt will not be able to sustain itself.

(Rutgers’ athletic deficit since joining the Big Ten is approaching a half a billion dollars….let that sink in. And there’s no sign of improvement. They used to try to cover some of it by booking loans from the school and B1O as earned revenue - an NCAA no-no.)
 
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When you're at $300m with your budget, you may have a spending problem.

AND ironically this doesn't even count the money they spend on facilities, and you'll notice they mention branding as a revenue source.

I very much agree that sports drives the great sale of sweatshirts and such, but even non-sports universities like NYU and Rutgers sell some merch, especially to students.
Couple of points on the OSU AD finances. They don't receive any money from the institution, state, or students. And, they spent $45 million on athletics facilities debt. They expected a loss, but it ended up larger than they expected, but they have plans to fill the hole. (Side note, OSU had 6 home football games in the period vs a normal 7 or 8. That is why the Big 10 will not go to a 10 game conference schedule as OSU would be limited to either 6 or sometimes a 7 home game schedule.)

As for other schools, back in 2020, the median D3 AD football playing school deficit was ~$4 million.
 
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If you think Ohio State football and UConn basketball haven't made money for the schools you're nuts. They've made tons of money for the schools and the states.

Well, I guess the accountants must all be cooking the books I guess...
 
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Football crazy fans in Ohio will happily accept losing money on a National Championship
 
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When you're at $300m with your budget, you may have a spending problem.

AND ironically this doesn't even count the money they spend on facilities, and you'll notice they mention branding as a revenue source.

I very much agree that sports drives the great sale of sweatshirts and such, but even non-sports universities like NYU and Rutgers sell some merch, especially to students.
Either mismanagement or creative accounting work.
 
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Ohio State, Michigan, Albama, Texas will always be fine. They set the market and adjust accordingly and everyone else will try to follow them. They'll cut back if necessary and others will follow. The smaller of the P2 (enrollment or endowment) will struggle to keep up but they'll keep trying. Oregon (although it has Nike), Nebraska, Rutgers, Miss State, Ole Miss. They should even be able to turn a profit if they are smart about it but they'll likely burn money instead trying to spend with the big boys.
 

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The article provides the details of the deficit. OSU played only 6 home football games last year, the fewest in 20 years. OSU had a massive buyout from their former basketball coach. There would have still been a deficit despite these two events, but those two events are a big part of why it was the size it was.
I'm not sure that thos two items would be much more than a rounding error within a $300mm budget.

Being generous with an estimation, net income (after all incurred costs) from a home football game may reach $20 per seat. That would be $2 million if they had a seventh home game, or 2/3 of one percent of their budget.

What was the buyout? I would be surprised if that was more than 4%-6% of the budget ($12mm-$18mm).
 
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Well, I would simply add that on top of the current challenges with athletic budgets at these schools there is no way to know what your payroll costs are going to be in order to remain competitive. It's hard to believe that many of these athletic departments have any discipline in this area and I can certainly foresee them getting over their skiis committing dollars to get and retain the best talent.

I doubt it ends well and there is certainly a rational discussion to be had why solid academic institutions.......like UCONN.......need to play in this arena. Stamford?????
 
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I'm not sure that thos two items would be much more than a rounding error within a $300mm budget.

Being generous with an estimation, net income (after all incurred costs) from a home football game may reach $20 per seat. That would be $2 million if they had a seventh home game, or 2/3 of one percent of their budget.

What was the buyout? I would be surprised if that was more than 4%-6% of the budget ($12mm-$18mm).
In FY2023, Ohio State football generated $63.3 million in ticket sales and $9 million in parking/concessions, etc. for 8 home games or an average of ~$9 million in revenue per home game. Game expenses for all sports at Ohio St. in FY 2023 were $10 million so I would estimate football game operating expenses are close to $1 million per game. Since almost all of the other costs are fixed like stadium debt costs, player scholarships, coaching salaries,... I would think the loss of a home game costs Ohio St. ~$8 million. That number would be reduced by any game guarantees.
 

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