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UcMiami said:
Nice post -
And I think their reviewing of that foul/flop actually changed their perceptions and calling of fouls in the second half. So it actually was a benefit to Uconn that KML picked up that foul.
Also - I think Geno has a valid point - the fouls around the outside have been tighten way up, the mugging in the lane continues, unless you hit the arm above the head - pretty much all body contact is being let go including displacement of the player in the air, unless it is flagrant.
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Totally agree with you. The officials allowing (wo)man handling in the interior prevents UConn from playing to it's strength. Perhaps it was karmic payback for the Ville-Baylor game that gave UConn number 7. As long as UConn still came out with the w I consider karma is on UConn's side:).

I thought the officiating was bad for both teams. The officials weren't deliberately out to get UConn. The way fouls were called in the first half the game was impacted and it's my opinion it impacted UConn more than Baylor because they had to change their aggressiveness on defense which is the best in women's bb.

But that doesn't account for their lack of offensive production in the second half. That was an issue of composure. Stef and Stewie had stretches of deer in the head light syndrome. At the end they regained their composure, but it was the first time this season where they showed vulnerability.

As far as the KML foul, it had to play in the mind of refs that the play was a flop and there should have been a no call. I can't fault the official who made the call because the line of vision didn't allow for accuracy and without the benefit of replay necessitated the call. Once made it couldn't be retracted. But the officials didn't take long to confer it was not a flagrant. They adjusted in the second half, and although I wish they had done so sooner these things happen.

The big issue is how the team reacts going forward. Other teams will watch this tape and play UConn accordingly. Yuck. It's up to the players to make the adjustments.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Totally agree with you. The officials allowing (wo)man handling in the interior prevents UConn from playing to it's strength. Perhaps it was karmic payback for the Ville-Baylor game that gave UConn number 7. As long as UConn still came out with the w I consider karma is on UConn's side:).

I thought the officiating was bad for both teams. The officials weren't deliberately out to get UConn. The way fouls were called in the first half the game was impacted and it's my opinion it impacted UConn more than Baylor because they had to change their aggressiveness on defense which is the best in women's bb.

But that doesn't account for their lack of offensive production in the second half. That was an issue of composure. Stef and Stewie had stretches of deer in the head light syndrome. At the end they regained their composure, but it was the first time this season where they showed vulnerability.

As far as the KML foul, it had to play in the mind of refs that the play was a flop and there should have been a no call. I can't fault the official who made the call because the line of vision didn't allow for accuracy and without the benefit of replay necessitated the call. Once made it couldn't be retracted. But the officials didn't take long to confer it was not a flagrant. They adjusted in the second half, and although I wish they had done so sooner these things happen.

The big issue is how the team reacts going forward. Other teams will watch this tape and play UConn accordingly. Yuck. It's up to the players to make the adjustments.
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I'm having a déjà vu here. After the Maryland and Penn State games last year the word was to play Uconn physical in the paint.

I don't think teams can look at this game and replicate what Baylor did. I'm not sure what they did.
 
wire chief said:
I too am OK with ETT's participation. No need for visitors to be completely vanilla.
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Ok before this gets misconstrued - like a good game of telephone - the ETT leaving topic arose out of ETT's request for Tom's email address on order to complain about the mods. That is usually the first step to being banned. So in antici..................................pation of what was to come, there was a series of "nice to know ya's".
 
easttexastrash said:
Interesting...let's see the official scorers determine who wins the game when no players show up.
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I think what cost Baylor the game was Sims trying to put the whole team on her shoulders and carry her team to victory. There were only two players that I ever saw that could do that. Diana Taurasi and Candace Parker. There may be others that I haven't seen. Some others come to mind but I haven't seen them play.
 
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Some UCONN players have made the refs job very easy with cheap and unnecessary fouls. Last night was a great example. Hopefully, Geno will address the players in question and will make it much more difficult to beat UCONN with zero free points..........We missed Morgan Tuck's points rebounds and toughness last night.
 
I don't think teams can look at this game and replicate what Baylor did. I'm not sure what they did.[/quote]

Baylor sure didn't cause us to miss so many outside shots. Or layups for that matter...
 
Adesmar123 said:
The referees don't determine who will win. The teams do.

Its kind of embarrassing to UConn basketball when a thread sounds like it came right out of the Summitt.
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The refereeing in the women's game is about awful. I've seen all too many games where the ref's really changed the whole tone of the game by calling fouls that put people on the bench, limiting their minutes on calls that were ludicrous. Other times I've seen them allowing people to be practically disemboweled without calls. There has to be a little balance and I'm not suggesting last nights game was THAT bad but it surely wasn't as good as it should have been. Yes, there have been far too many games decided solely on bad calls from the referees and that should never ever happen!!!!!!!!!!!
 
reno tony said:
I think what cost Baylor the game was Sims trying to put the whole team on her shoulders and carry her team to victory. There were only two players that I ever saw that could do that. Diana Taurasi and Candace Parker. There may be others that I haven't seen. Some others come to mind but I haven't seen them play.
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Maya seems to always be left out and I surely don't know why. I remember numerous times where she had the team on her back and if you remember, her first national championship game against Stanford when UConn only scored 12 points at halftime, wasn't it Maya that was magnificent and led the way to their turning the game around???? I also remember where Diana almost single handedly assured Notre Dame of a national championship when in her freshman year, with UConn having something like a 14 point half time lead, she shot something like one of fifteen in the second half to give Notre Dame a comfortable comeback win. I periodically bring that up because some people put Diana on a mountaintop as if she was the Princess of perfection and yet there have been times where she's been anything though I agree, it hasn't happened very often because she is an outstanding talent.
 
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Buzzyboy said:
I also remember where Diana almost single handedly assured Notre Dame of a national championship when in her freshman year, with UConn having something like a 14 point half time lead, she shot something like one of fifteen in the second half to give Notre Dame a comfortable comeback win. I periodically bring that up because some people put Diana on a mountaintop as if she was the Princess of perfection and yet there have been times where she's been anything though I agree, it hasn't happened very often because she is an outstanding talent.
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Let me see....two major players were out with injuries - Diana was a freshman -

Diana was a FRESHMAN, and who knows if she was told to shoot when she gets the ball - she sure shot and yes, she missed all but one.

Diana is a great player and deserves that mountain top. But even climbers of mountains have to start - (here it comes) at the bottom.

"princess of perfection"...good grief
 
reno tony said:
I think what cost Baylor the game was Sims trying to put the whole team on her shoulders and carry her team to victory.
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You are not wrong here but I think the way you frame it was too complementary to Sims. She played a selfish game and made it all about her. If she stayed within the team concept they might have won.
 
The worst officiating game I witnessed was during a Big Tourny game when they called 30 just in the first half ! It got so ridiculous that the fans started booing at every whistle.......
 
RegisteredUconn said:
Try telling that to the 2008 Rutgers team that went to Knoxville. Or the 1972 men's Olympic team that still refuse the medals the refs say the earned.
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Once again I feel that I have to come to the defense of the refs in the 1972 gold medal game.

Had it been up to the refs, the game would have ended with a USA win. It was an Olympic
basketball pooh-bah ( a Brit I believe) who came out of the stands and ordered the refs to
give the Russians another chance. Afterwards, he commented something to the effect that
he thought a Russian victory would be good for the game, rather than having the USA win
all the time.
 
It has nothing to do with how many fouls each team had, but against whom the fouls were called and how that affected the game. Stefanie's third foul was bogus, even Doris Burke said that. You can't charge if the defensive player is moving. It should have been a non call. Stef would have stayed in and wouldn't have been sitting on the bench. However, UConn did learn that they can overcome injuries and foul trouble and still beat top ten teams.
 
Buzzyboy said:
Maya seems to always be left out and I surely don't know why. I remember numerous times where she had the team on her back and if you remember, her first national championship game against Stanford when UConn only scored 12 points at halftime, wasn't it Maya that was magnificent and led the way to their turning the game around???? I also remember where Diana almost single handedly assured Notre Dame of a national championship when in her freshman year, with UConn having something like a 14 point half time lead, she shot something like one of fifteen in the second half to give Notre Dame a comfortable comeback win. I periodically bring that up because some people put Diana on a mountaintop as if she was the Princess of perfection and yet there have been times where she's been anything though I agree, it hasn't happened very often because she is an outstanding talent.
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I was not referring to just a game or two but a season or even just the NCAA tourney. In DT's last season she carried that team to the N.C. and Parker did the same. I certainly respect Maya's skills and put her just a hair or two behind DT but she just doesn't seem to have that "give me the dam ball and clear out, I got this" attitude. She is more of a quiet leader. Draining her threes with the prettiest jump shot on Earth.
 
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Waquoit said:
You are not wrong here but I think the way you frame it was too complementary to Sims. She played a selfish game and made it all about her. If she stayed within the team concept they might have won.
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I wish I knew what Mulkey's game plan was. Did she want everyone to run the game through Sims or did Sims just assume that role and play a selfish game. I think she is a great player and just ran into the best defense in the country. Flip side is she scores 42 points and they win....:eek:
 
chrissaran said:
It has nothing to do with how many fouls each team had, but against whom the fouls were called and how that affected the game. Stefanie's third foul was bogus, even Doris Burke said that. You can't charge if the defensive player is moving. It should have been a non call. Stef would have stayed in and wouldn't have been sitting on the bench. However, UConn did learn that they can overcome injuries and foul trouble and still beat top ten teams.
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While I agree that the third foul called against Stef was a bad call, your statement " You can't charge if the defensive player is moving" is not accurate. You most certainly can charge into a moving defensive player.
 
One had to be impressed with the tenacious schemes, the huge effort of our two principle guards
and the unmatched help D, that more or less neutralized one of the finest guards/scorer of this season.

Geno's defensive concepts really work and can relegate the most competent scorer.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Totally agree with you. The officials allowing (wo)man handling in the interior prevents UConn from playing to it's strength. Perhaps it was karmic payback for the Ville-Baylor game that gave UConn number 7.
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are you shortchanging Geno and the UConn Women
 
reno tony said:
I think what cost Baylor the game was Sims trying to put the whole team on her shoulders and carry her team to victory. There were only two players that I ever saw that could do that. Diana Taurasi and Candace Parker. There may be others that I haven't seen. Some others come to mind but I haven't seen them play.
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Angel did it as well... of course she always came up short but she shouldered the LV load
 
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#35... the kid that use to pout when things weren't going well for LV
 
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