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YoDore said:
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So let me translate:
I won't listen to any criticism, no matter how reasonable or constructive.
Moral relatavism is convenient for me.
I exercise no discretion in the company I keep and the people I value.
I'm a walking HR/legal nightmare because apparently I don't realize that as a supervisor "see no evil" doesn't cut it as a legal defense when the employees I supervise violate the law.

Cool cool cool.
 
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Rooster C. said:
You couldn't be more wrong. I know Kate and her wife quite well and believe me she KNOWS how I feel toward her both as a coach and as a person. Your dislike for Harper is obvious and is blinding you to objective facts.

I didn't want her to quit and would have been very happy to have her stay on forever. But she did quit and quite unexpectedly at that. One year removed from an E8 appearance and all but one player returning and a nice class of 4 coming in next year. Lots to look forward to.

But since she is no longer the coach of Miami I have to look objectively at potential replacements. Kieger could not recruit at Penn State and has a 50% win pctg. I think Miami can do better. She was an assistant when Miami had 2 future WNBA players on the team. Just as Kieger isn't the winning coach she was at Marquette Harper isn't the losing coach she was at NC State.
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And you're wrong here. I don't dislike Harper, and I'm looking at her situation objectively.

That said, I do believe that she's WCBB's version of being born with a silver spoon in her mouth. She's had better career opportunities than at least 80% of women's college basketball coaches, Kieger included. She simply has not done enough to warrant having another one, especially not so soon.

The facts say that Kellie Harper has been fired from not one but two P5 jobs for failing to maintain certain program-based standards. She's experienced a dip in production at both P5 programs despite having access to the best players/athletes. At NC State, she took a program that was holding steady after a tragic loss and turned it into an ACC basement dweller in just four seasons. At Tennessee, she inherited talent from Holly but could not recruit HS talent. She took over a program (her alma mater, nonetheless) that was supposed to contend for SEC titles year in and year out and turned it into one that doesn't. She coached four WNBA first round picks at Tennessee and has zero SEC titles and zero Final Fours to show for it!

Kieger took over two failing programs (one of them her alma mater and the other a train wreck in the B1G) and was able to establish upward trajectories at both. Yes, it's been a slow build at Penn State and no, her time there cannot be considered a success. But this year was a step in the right direction for a program that was in the toilet when she took over--and she's doing this while not being able to attract the kind of athletes she'd like to coach (the first round WNBA players that Kellie has been able to coach at Tennessee) to Central PA. Kieger might coach two WNBA players between her time at Marquette and Penn State (Hiedeman at Marquette and maybe Kapinus makes it in a couple of years). Kellie coached two first round picks just last year (Rickea and Jordan).

This is not to suggest that Carolyn Kieger is better than Kellie Harper nor am I endorsing her for the Miami job (it should go to the best candidate PERIOD). I'm suggesting that they're not on as different levels as you make them out to be. Kellie's had more and better opportunities than Kieger--yet she's failed at them because she takes them in the wrong direction--downward. Kieger's one P5 opportunity to date has been a slow and ugly grind--but it's gone upward this year.

This is my final post on the matter.
 
Cross Yo off the Tennessee coaching candidate list, I guess?
If he had it, I would hope this would make Danny White lose her number pretty fast.
 
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triaddukefan said:
I wonder if Hillsman is still on the coaching staff by this weekend :confused:
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I'm not a betting person, however I'm guessing it might be done quietly during all the FF hoopla?
 
TheFarmFan said:
So let me translate:
I won't listen to any criticism, no matter how reasonable or constructive.
Moral relatavism is convenient for me.
I exercise no discretion in the company I keep and the people I value.
I'm a walking HR/legal nightmare because apparently I don't realize that as a supervisor "see no evil" doesn't cut it as a legal defense when the employees I supervise violate the law.

Cool cool cool.
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How did you even get that out of her post?

All I heard was the voice of Charlie Brown's teacher when I read that. It doesn't address a damn thing.
 
So here's a question: what is the upside for Ole Miss? The backlash was immediate and easily predictable. He had a decent run at Syracuse, but I don't think he's ever been considered a master strategist or great recruiter. Just...what was the thought process here?
 
nwhoopfan said:
So here's a question: what is the upside for Ole Miss? The backlash was immediate and easily predictable. He had a decent run at Syracuse, but I don't think he's ever been considered a master strategist or great recruiter. Just...what was the thought process here?
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There's probably fewer than 15 coaches who have been to an NC title game. He's one of em. Not a genius but that aint nothing.
 
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nwhoopfan said:
So here's a question: what is the upside for Ole Miss? The backlash was immediate and easily predictable. He had a decent run at Syracuse, but I don't think he's ever been considered a master strategist or great recruiter. Just...what was the thought process here?
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Ole Miss probably trying to make sure the public outcry is on the women's hoops program instead of the men's hoops program who hired Chris Beard one year ago despite Texas firing him for having assaulted his fiancé' just four months prior . . .
 
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southie said:
Ole Miss probably trying to make sure the public outcry is on the women's hoops program instead of the men's hoops program who hired Chris Beard one year ago despite Texas firing him for having assaulted his fiancé' just four months prior . . .
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There is increased emphasis on equity across programs ….
 
Vowelguy said:
There's probably fewer than 15 coaches who have been to an NC title game. He's one of em. Not a genius but that aint nothing.
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I'd say there's some degree of flukiness with that though. Never even made the Sweet 16 in any of his other Tourney appearances (9 trips total). There's any number of coaches who made a deep run once and were never able to repeat it.
 
Jumper33 said:
What on earth are Coach Yo and their AD thinking? No program should touch that awful man with a 10 foot pole. It’s not like what he did is ancient history either. Very baffling and disappointing decision.
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I have no idea where to find it / them, but there were profile(s) around the time of his FF run that, if I recall correctly, painted him as very spiritual and "Christian". This might appeal to some, it seems to have appealed to Syracuse both with Q and also the current coach.

It isn't that I specifically have an issue with someone proclaiming their Christian faith, but I think it inappropriate to a degree at secular schools and even more-so when there are non-Christian players on the team. Not to mention that Christianity is interpreted differently by various denominations and groupings.
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
I have no idea where to find it / them, but there were profile(s) around the time of his FF run that, if I recall correctly, painted him as very spiritual and "Christian". This might appeal to some, it seems to have appealed to Syracuse both with Q and also the current coach.

It isn't that I specifically have an issue with someone proclaiming their Christian faith, but I think it inappropriate to a degree at secular schools and even more-so when there are non-Christian players on the team. Not to mention that Christianity is interpreted differently by various denominations and groupings.
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Coach Yo is always preaching about God, heck even Dawn Staley couldn’t stop talking about him after their last win. Both coach at public schools. I wouldn’t hold the religion factor against him too much, but the alleged mistreatment and player abuse is a different story.
 
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