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Message: [QUOTE="temery, post: 3945181, member: 1"] The company/ friend who has done the pre emergent did some in late April every year. I always thought this was a bit late, but by last year the crabgrass was gone. Im looking to spread [URL='https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000I1M5NG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1']Scotts Turf Builder Halts Crabgrass Preventer[/URL] tomorrow. After that, what's the organic stuff you mention? I'll spend a little more for organic because it's likely better in the long run, as long as there are no hidden costs. I do plan to cut back on the irrigation this year. The last three or so years my water bill was close to a $ grand. I'm ok with grass going dormant as long as it's not a serious set back. Worth noting: my next house will be a cabin in the woods. Grass will be the weed I need to kill. For now, and for the sake of resale value, I need to keep a lawn that cost my neighbors more to keep up. [/QUOTE]