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Message: [QUOTE="champs99and04, post: 2561738, member: 488"] Even when Larrier was "coming on" before the injury, he was averaging 16 points on 16 shots while averaging four rebounds and one assist per game. In fairness, "16 points on 16 shots" can be valuable to an offense that sucks like ours does, but it's true that he's pretty much been the epitome of an empty player and the fact that he can't do other things to help us win when his shot is off is kind of the point. Whaley can be really painful to watch at times like he was yesterday, but for those who put any stock into these sort of stats, consider the fact that Larrier's defensive box plus/minus is -.8 while Whaley's is 6.8. His offensive advanced stats are considerably better than Larrier's as well, though that doesn't match with the eye test quite as neatly. I cringe every time Whaley shoots. [/QUOTE]