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Killer Instinct

Interesting set of comments. I don't equate "Killer Instinct" with high energy and aggressiveness as we all do with Nika. To me its more a matter of being able to perform/outperform the competition under pressure. Agree with comments that Paige and Aaliyah fit this definition. Her first year, prior to head issues, Caroline was also someone you could get the ball to at the end of games and expect positive things.
 
I don't remember which episode it was on, but on Geno's show (perhaps one of the ones about the NCAA champions over the years), one of the players talked about how she and her teammates planned to start every game on a run. For instance, get to a 10-point lead by the first TV timeout. Maybe it was Renee Montgomery - getting old, can't remember. But to me, killer instinct is not just about one or even a few players, but what a team does together to demoralize their opponent throughout a game and ultimately "steps on their neck" to close it out. That's killer!
 
I don't remember which episode it was on, but on Geno's show (perhaps one of the ones about the NCAA champions over the years), one of the players talked about how she and her teammates planned to start every game on a run. For instance, get to a 10-point lead by the first TV timeout. Maybe it was Renee Montgomery - getting old, can't remember. But to me, killer instinct is not just about one or even a few players, but what a team does together to demoralize their opponent throughout a game and ultimately "steps on their neck" to close it out. That's killer!
Like Mike Tyson reportedly said, “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.” Renée may have had a bit of the same stuff Mike was made of.
 
I don't remember which episode it was on, but on Geno's show (perhaps one of the ones about the NCAA champions over the years), one of the players talked about how she and her teammates planned to start every game on a run. For instance, get to a 10-point lead by the first TV timeout. Maybe it was Renee Montgomery - getting old, can't remember. But to me, killer instinct is not just about one or even a few players, but what a team does together to demoralize their opponent throughout a game and ultimately "steps on their neck" to close it out. That's killer!
Bingo!!! :cool: "Stepping on necks" thereby depriving your opponent of life giving breath (and any hope of a come back), is one of the components of having or exhibiting a killer instinct. That was always he hope and desire of Michael, Kobe, Tarausi and as Bone Dog suggests, Renee Montgomery, to thoroughly and completely take all of the hope and will from their opponents. None of these players ever asked for any quarter, and never gave any, regardless of the score. ;) one of the common threads of a killer instinct is the hope/desire to quickly demoralize the opponent, preferably by halftime.
 
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So agree with comments. Caroline and Paige did awesome at times putting the team on their backs and willing them to a win. That isn't killer instinct to me. That's survival instinct. Killer instinct to me is what the above poster said, get up by a bunch and keep pouring it on and giving the opponent no hope they could win.
 
Paige - think of the NC State where she refused to let UConn lose by nailing shot after shot
Ducharme - Think of the DePaul game where she hit the game winner and still looked like she was ready for another quarter
Azzi - Think of the Texas game where she made bucket after bucket and when a defender backed off she yelled "Where is she going?" after she drained a 3.
Aubrey - She crashes the glass like the rent is due and she has to grab a money order before 6pm
Nika - she isn't scared of anyone, anywhere anytime and is a defensive pest
 
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I do not think that any member of the current roster should be labeled with the killer instinct label. That's what's been missing the past few years. That doesn't mean the talent wasn't there, because we all know it was. In my mind a player with a killer instinct would never allow her or one of her teammates be taken advantage of either physically or mentally. The last UConn player that I can recall that put real fear into an opponent was DT.
 
How can a player that had 7 TO's and only 3 points in the biggest game of the year even be in the discussion?
Some people do not have a clue, even after all this time has gone by. We played about 37 games, maybe we can pick a few games that dispute your characterization of Nika. Tunnel vision, geeze
 
To me, Killer Instinct is going out there and just destroying a team. Up by 10? Let’s make it 20, then 30, then 40. Never letting up and never giving the opponent hope. I always think of Sue, DT, Shea, and Swin when I hear those words.
 
great question. I hope the team collectively develops it. I know basketball is a game of runs, but I think sometimes they collectively let their foot off the gas when they get up. I think the special Uconn teams whether up 5 or 25, play the same way with the same demeanor. I feel like when the team is up 10 or 20 they lose focus, get a little to celebratory and start turning the ball over or taking bad shots. So in that sense it's hard to pick a player with killer instinct. However, I think if the team is deeper, players who will want to make the most of their limited minutes. just my opinion though.

Didn't see the post above me until after I submitted mine. It's exactly how I feel and think about it.
 
To me, Killer Instinct is going out there and just destroying a team. Up by 10? Let’s make it 20, then 30, then 40. Never letting up and never giving the opponent hope. I always think of Sue, DT, Shea, and Swin when I hear those words.
Well said about that great team, Matty, and I'll narrow it down to say, if this were a thread about all-time UConn 'killers,' I'd have Shea right near the top of the list, and we never got to see the best from her.

As for the current team, it'd be Paige and the healthy Caroline 1-2 for me, with Nika certainly in the running if the game were all about attitude and defense.

As much support as Azzi gets here, I've just got the feeling she could use quite a bit more of that 'killer' instinct.
 
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Paige.

If healthy, Azzi and CD will get there. Azzi is very physcial for her size. If she wasn't hurt as much she would've devopled imo. But right now - it's Paige.
 
Here's a topic to get the analytical juices flowing. On the current roster, who has demonstrated a "killer instinct"? What is their "killer instinct"? How impactful and reliable is their "killer instinct" at crunch time?
I don't think they have had a killer instinct since Stewart. To me there is a big difference between being clutch and being able to put a team away earlier in the game, the killer instinct. With that said I think Paige has shown she is clutch in big games but other than her I haven't really seen anyone step up when the game needs to be taken over and actually can do it.

Now who has the potential to be that person? Obviously Paige is on the top of the board but I think Azzi is also able to be that person on offense. If you need a stop on defense you have Edwards and Muhl with KK an interesting third person available on the bench. Having big games in the big games early in the season is a building block but to get on the list you have to deliver when it's lose and go home.

This year they should have enough very good players that clutch won't be needed as often as it was the last few years.
 
Some people do not have a clue, even after all this time has gone by. We played about 37 games, maybe we can pick a few games that dispute your characterization of Nika. Tunnel vision, geeze
I've been pretty consistant about not giving any weight to performances that come against against the JV.
 
I've been pretty consistant about not giving any weight to performances that come against against the JV.
Then consider Nika’s performance against top teams last season, like Texas, NC St, Iowa, Tennessee and SC. These were not JV squads. SC in particular designed their game plan specifically to stop her.
 
To me killer instinct is making threes big play at key moments. The three point dagger that stops an opponents run, the steal followed by the breakaway layup or key block are the players that come to mind. This team has those attributes in spades.

I will agree that the tendency to pour it on and keeping it on has been missing in recent Connecticut teams. I suspect you will see it return this year.
 
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Then consider Nika’s performance against top teams last season, like Texas, NC St, Iowa, Tennessee and SC. These were not JV squads. SC in particular designed their game plan specifically to stop her.
They got smoked in a Sweet 16 game, not a Final Four game. That's not UConn BB. And I don't mean to be critical Muhl, she's trying and working hard. I'm critical the folks here peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
 
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I would tend to think of team killer instinct rather than individuals. I would agree we haven't seen that from Uconn in recent years. Various Uconn wcbb squads had that quality in spades. As others have mentioned, to me it's that consistent relentless drive to put away the opponent leaving them no chance at coming back in a game. When it has happened with teams in the past, they have been playing against the game rather than the opponent, it's been about reaching for perfection rather than beating the five on the opposite side of the floor. The Magic era of the Lakers famously had it - the game was over in the third quarter - they came out of the locker room and just scored at will and shut the other team down.

I am very hopeful that this years squad will reclaim that relentless drive to beat the game until Geno calls off the dogs so as not to totally demoralize the competition. The potential is definitely there. Paige, Nika and Aaliyah when fully unleashed will be hungry to exhibit this, three seniors that came convinced they'd win championships together, will be on a mission to make it happen this year. Aubrey, Caroline and Azzi while having been hampered by injuries, each have shown the ability and are hungry. Amari, Ayanna and Ines all are eager to show what they've got. Add in Ice and four very driven freshmen who are chumping at the bit to get on the floor with those guys and we have the formula to see a team that has that killer instinct and one that can ride that right through to #12. Baring major injuries that's what I am anxiously awaiting to witness this season!
 
They got smoked in a Sweet 16 game, not a Final Four game. That's not UConn BB. And I don't mean to be critical Muhl, she's trying and working hard. I'm critical the folks here peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
With all due respect, you might be peeing on your own leg and think it's others if you believe it doesn't appear that, as you say , 'you don't mean to be critical of Mühl'. That loss was a team breakdown and team loss. Nika had her worst game of the season in that loss but her performance in that loss was an anomaly within the exceptional season she had. Last years squad as a team did not show a killer instinct but unquestionably exceeded any expectations and I would venture that had they not fallen to tOSU, even with all they had to fight through all season, they very possibly could have won it all.

Going forward with a healthy squad for 23-24, I think we'll see a very hungry team that has the talent and numbers to reclaim that killer instinct and within that whole a reincarnation of 'the gnat' being her pesky self particularly on the defensive end.
 
They got smoked in a Sweet 16 game, not a Final Four game. That's not UConn BB. And I don't mean to be critical Muhl, she's trying and working hard. I'm critical the folks here peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
Nika made some mistakes but with Edwards out she was playing with 4 other players who couldn't play physical enough to break a press. The lacked the ability to catch a pass and they certainly didn't attack the basket when they did break the press. But the biggest weakness to me was early in the game when they had several open 3's that would have put them up by 10 and they couldn't make one of them. That is the killer instinct mentioned in this thread that was missing.
 
They got smoked in a Sweet 16 game, not a Final Four game. That's not UConn BB. And I don't mean to be critical Muhl, she's trying and working hard. I'm critical the folks here peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
Mr. Positive, please don’t ever change. I always enjoy reading your comments. I may not always agree with you, But I enjoy the balance you bring to the table. This would be a very boring and unimadgenitive board if we all agreed on every topic. Blah.

I’m always interested in the thoughts and concerns of other UConn WBB fans, especially my fellow boneyarders, which include some of the most knowledgeable and informed fans in sports.
 
They got smoked in a Sweet 16 game, not a Final Four game. That's not UConn BB. And I don't mean to be critical Muhl, she's trying and working hard. I'm critical the folks here peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
I don’t think the loss to tOSU was Nika’s fault. Some here think that but watching that game, I come to a very different conclusion. So, if that’s your main reason for dismissing her, I can’t agree. But you said she’d only done well against JV type opponents. Well, I showed you some top 10 opponents she played exceptionally well against.

Where I might agree with you is in thinking that Nika by herself was unable to break tOSU’s press. Georgia Amoore did exactly that in the very next game. Nika is not the type of pg Amoore is. She’s a better defender and passer, but not as good a scorer and ball handler. Interestingly, I suspect KK may turn out to be exactly that sort of pg.
 
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I don’t think the loss to tOSU was Nika’s fault.
Let's get this straight, I'm not blaming Nika for the loss. I'm not saying the loss was her fault, it was a team loss. I'm saying I disagree with the killer instinct claim. And my "peeing on my leg" part comes from my experience with the "our girls" contingent on the board overrating players and clustering like army ants over any criticism. I went through it with KLS when I dared to say that the Big 3 was really a Big 2 based on performance against the varsity. Of course, subsequent perfromance as a professional has validated my point.
 
can we get an emoji on here that is a "respectfully disagree" emoji? I am never angry at someone on here for expressing their opinion but I do disagree.
 
Let's get this straight, I'm not blaming Nika for the loss. I'm not saying the loss was her fault, it was a team loss. I'm saying I disagree with the killer instinct claim. And my "peeing on my leg" part comes from my experience with the "our girls" contingent on the board overrating players and clustering like army ants over any criticism. I went through it with KLS when I dared to say that the Big 3 was really a Big 2 based on performance against the varsity. Of course, subsequent perfromance as a professional has validated my point.
I'm much closer to you on this than you might have thought. I didn't list Nika as a prime killer in my post -- for me that's Paige and Azzi, because they drop the daggers. I do think she is a fierce competitor. But that's not the same thing. And I certainly don't think she's the best pg out there, much less on the huskies.

Nika is pretty much the player Geno wanted when he recruited her and has probably developed in ways he mainly anticipated. If I try to guess what he was thinking back then, it was that he wanted a fighter to play next to Paige, someone who just had more in-your-face ferocity than Paige typically shows. But without Paige (or Azzi) in the lineup, like last season, Nika ends up being asked to do things that aren't exactly her strengths. She made the effort and surprised a lot of us by becoming the backcourt player to beat (next to Lou) on the huskies. When she floundered, the team as a whole floundered. I hope she doesn't have to do that again this year because the team needs to be more than she can make it by herself.

One instructive episode for thinking about Nika, and especially in her relationship to Lou is that Tennessee focused on denying the ball to Lou, and they lost. SC focused on denying the ball to Nika and they won. Obviously, there were other factors in both games, and in my view we had a shot to win the SC game at the end. But to me that says an opposing coach diagnosed the husky attack and recognized how important Nika was to it. But, as I said above, I hope she's not that important to it this season.
 
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Nika made some mistakes but with Edwards out she was playing with 4 other players who couldn't play physical enough to break a press. The lacked the ability to catch a pass and they certainly didn't attack the basket when they did break the press. But the biggest weakness to me was early in the game when they had several open 3's that would have put them up by 10 and they couldn't make one of them. That is the killer instinct mentioned in this thread that was missing.
I've said this before, I'll say it again, Edwards sitting on the bench with foul troubles was huge. How many times did she park herself at mid-court to help break the press during the regular season? Who helped Nika against tOSU? Who filled in for Edwards? I'll give you a hint, it was a nice round number, like zero. Did Nika turn the ball over, well she took the stats, but it was a team thing. You disagree? Go rewatch the game.
 
Let's get this straight, I'm not blaming Nika for the loss. I'm not saying the loss was her fault, it was a team loss. I'm saying I disagree with the killer instinct claim. And my "peeing on my leg" part comes from my experience with the "our girls" contingent on the board overrating players and clustering like army ants over any criticism. I went through it with KLS when I dared to say that the Big 3 was really a Big 2 based on performance against the varsity. Of course, subsequent perfromance as a professional has validated my point.
Strange at this point to come to KLS' defense four years after her final UConn game, but a defense of KLS is called for.

If you have followed her pro career, she battled injuries during her first two seasons and has been a starter through her third and fourth seasons for Seattle and LA, respectively. Is she scoring 20 points per game? No, but she's become a consistent rebounder and is acknowledged in all the broadcasts I've watched for her excellent defense, often taking on bigger players in the paint (can you imagine Geno thinking that'd happen... LOL?).

And you might totally dismiss Euro play, but she was the MVP of her league there during the summer of '21 and was an all-Euro all-star, leading her team to some appreciable playoff successes.

I don't know how motherhood and a year off from playing will affect her WNBA future, but I would judge that Katie Lou has already proven she's been a solid pro player in a league that is quite challenging to make one's mark.
 
While most are sighting individual players having a killer instinct, you miss the point.

Killer instinct must be a team characteristic. Every player on the team has to believe that they have the ability to deliver the knockout punch. They have to believe that when an opponent is down, you step on them and keep them down. No let up. No mercy. Run the opponent into the ground. You do what is needed to keep it going. It is winner takes all.

Blaming any one player for a loss from last season is crazy, especially the Ohio State game. Injuries robbed the team of some of their best. It was a team that played with heart and courage despite the injuries. The team was physically and mentally exhausted.

We will see if this year's team has a killer instinct.
 
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