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Message: [QUOTE="CL82, post: 5002806, member: 44"] I don't know if we are "undesirable" so much as not desired. There's a difference. I agree with you that the ACC has had plenty of chances to invite us and for various reasons has not done so. There would seem to be a need for a paradigm shift in order for that to change. The departure of the marquee programs from the ACC would seem to be such a change. of course, the question is whether we would want to join an ACC leftover conference. The answer to that will depend on 1) who is left, 2) what are they offering in terms of conference distributions and 3) whether anyone else to offer. [/QUOTE]