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Message: [QUOTE="Kolumbo, post: 4719987, member: 4613"] Everything you say about SU is true. All I'm saying is SU is a private university which has a strong connection to NYC and that connection is why it is in the ACC. Lots of wealthy kids go to SU because who else is paying that ridiculous tuition and then they go to the Big Apple when they graduate. (FBS programs in state). New York (3) is a state with 20 million people, 4th most populous state behind Cali (7), Texas (13) and Florida (7). Yet NY has only 3 FBS football programs, none of which are winning championships: Army, Buffalo, Syracuse. That's why SU is valuable to the ACC. [/QUOTE]