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Message: [QUOTE="DarthGrumpy, post: 1763844, member: 2141"] Let me clarify, there are a small number of folks who will be loyal to Rice because its Rice and it has nothing to do with football. Just like the certain segment in MA, CT, NY, NJ, PA, etc. who are fans of Harvard/Yale/Columbia/Cornell/Princeton/UPenn football regardless if those Ivy's haven't beaten the local State U in the football field in decades and all talk about the glory days of Ivy League football like it was yesterday, even if those fans graduated in 2010. [/QUOTE]