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uconnflyer88 said:
If anyone has questions about whether this hire is a bad idea due to him having a DB background, turn on NFL network right now and see the drill they are running....

DBs vs RBs
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Who cares... We're UCONN.. not the NFL... like someone else posted on twitter the Clayton White experiment as RB coach was a failure...why's it so doggone hard to get a former RB to coach our RB's? UCONN is the only school I know of in a BCS conference doing that. If there any other schools doing that and having success doing it somebody please point them out...
 
ktuck911 said:
Who cares... We're UCONN.. not the NFL... like someone else posted on twitter the Clayton White experiment as RB coach was a failure...why's it so doggone hard to get a former RB to coach our RB's? UCONN is the only school I know of in a BCS conference doing that. If there any other schools doing that and having success doing it somebody please point them out...
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Well the question you have to ask yourself is what are you looking for the RBs coach to coach the players on

you can't coach vision
you can't coach speed
The offensive line is responsible for opening up the holes

You are coaching them blocking technique among other things such as film study, you don't need to be a prior RB for film study and what better way to coach blocking technique then someone who knows what the guys you're supposed to be blocking will try to do to you
 
Texas - Ken Rucker:

A native of Morristown, Tenn., Rucker earned a bachelor's degree in physical education from Carson-Newman College in 1976. A standout defensive player for the Eagles, he was named the Most Valuable Player in 1976, all-conference as a linebacker in 1975 and Most Valuable Defensive Lineman in 1974. In April of 2009, Rucker was named to the Carson-Newman Football Hall of Fame.

That was after 2 minutes of research
 
uconnflyer88 said:
Well the question you have to ask yourself is what are you looking for the RBs coach to coach the players on

you can't coach vision
you can't coach speed
The offensive line is responsible for opening up the holes

You are coaching them blocking technique among other things such as film study, you don't need to be a prior RB for film study and what better way to coach blocking technique then someone who knows what the guys you're supposed to be blocking will try to do to you
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I understand all of that bro... but ask yourself this: Have you seen any of the other BCS schools WITHOUT a RB coach that actually played the position at the college (and maybe even pro ) level? Until somebody can tell me otherwise I ain't buyin it... The only thing that will finally put this to bed is if we see production post the T-Richardson era from not just a 5'8 160lbs back... Say what you want guys.. Spin every whichaway you like. If we have another season where McCombs is the main and ONLY guy producing we got a problem...
 
huskymedic said:
... and that will be avoided by having a running back coach who played running back in college??
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No, we avoid that by recruiting better running backs! T Richardson did not create any RBs. We (he?) recruited NFL caliber RBs, and then they played really well while he was the coach. Miami has average less YPC in the two years Richardson has been there compared to the year before he got there (4.8 in 2010 vs 4.4 and 4.7 in 2011 and 2012). Has Richardson all of the sudden forgot his magical touch?

RBs are born, and their production is also a factor of both the system and the OL. OL's are made. OL coach is a very important coaching position. RB coach is not. He appears to be a good recruiter. Hopefully he can recruit some RBs. I am happy with this.
 
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huskymedic said:
... and that will be avoided by having a running back coach who played running back in college??
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No... Not my point bro.. not at all...

Let's leave it at my FIRST point... which nobody's been able to answer or respond too... I guess UCONN will be the only school trying to prove they can have a solid FBS level running game with a RB coach who didn't play the position... It has nothing to do with the player... and btw HobokenHusky, nice analysis on T Richardson now that he's at the U... But if he were still here I'd take that 4.4 in 2011 & 4.7 in 2012 any day over what are ypc average currently is...
 
ktuck911 said:
I understand all of that bro... but ask yourself this: Have you seen any of the other BCS schools WITHOUT a RB coach that actually played the position at the college (and maybe even pro ) level? Until somebody can tell me otherwise I ain't buyin it... The only thing that will finally put this to bed is if we see production post the T-Richardson era from not just a 5'8 160lbs back... Say what you want guys.. Spin every whichaway you like. If we have another season where McCombs is the main and ONLY guy producing we got a problem...
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First off, I highly doubt that you know anything about the composition of other college staffs, so you're just guessing about other the RB coaches at other schools.

After researching it, Texas and Oklahoma both have RB coaches that didn't play the position in college.

Michigan and Nebraska have RB coaches that didn't play the position in college.

Oregon, Alabama, and USC all have RB coaches who played fullback in college.

Stanford's RB coach didn't play the position.

Texas A&M's running back coach from this past season never played the position.

Florida's RB coach didn't play the position. Georgia's RB coach didn't play the position.

I can go on if you want.
 
Many people who object with this hire only because he didn't play the running back position in college are out of touch right now. Would it be great to have a coach who was a former D1 All-American for every position job there is, sure, but its not realistic at all. Chip Kelly didn't even play college football and he was one of the best coaches in country last year. Like someone said earlier many of these coaches have played these positions at some point during their careers dating back to high school and even if they haven't this is why they have thousands of hours of coaches meetings. So the head coaches and the offensive coordinators can discuss the techniques they want to teach and how they want to teach them. To communicate to from the top down through the bottom. And when it isn't working they have coaches meetings every night to discuss how they are going to change their teaching methods. Its a constant process. But a coach not ever playing the position at a high level is irrelevant. He will simply regurgitate the info the head coach and coordinators want and he looks for the points of emphasis that has been taught to him. And throughout his coaching career he deciphers which techniques and skill cues he wants to focus on. By a few years alone of going through meetings he has hundreds of ways to break down skills and teach the techniques.
 
ktuck911 said:
No... Not my point bro.. not at all...

Let's leave it at my FIRST point... which nobody's been able to answer or respond too... I guess UCONN will be the only school trying to prove they can have a solid FBS level running game with a RB coach who didn't play the position... It has nothing to do with the player... and btw HobokenHusky, nice analysis on T Richardson now that he's at the U... But if he were still here I'd take that 4.4 in 2011 & 4.7 in 2012 any day over what are ypc average currently is...
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Look - I'd like to have TR back but it didn't happen. KB looks like a recruiting HR and I'd rather have that.

Using the fact that he didn't play RB in college as a basis to trash the hire is wrong. He has coached RB @ a B1G program. You don't like the hire - it's your right. Just flawed reasoning

Oh - Look @ Mississippi State RB coach as well. Coach was a QB in college just like the Bugg and coached WR most of his career.
 
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Jerry27 said:
Thats a HCPP thing of not rotating backs, he doesn't want a "jaguar" at the position, he said that before he coached his first game for us.
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And the RB agreed with that philosophy. I read an article on the courant that talked about the RB's coach and how he didn't like rotating the backs.
 
huskymedic said:
Look - I'd like to have TR back but it didn't happen. KB looks like a recruiting HR and I'd rather have that.

Using the fact that he didn't play RB in college as a basis to trash the hire is wrong. He has coached RB @ a B1G program. You don't like the hire - it's your right. Just flawed reasoning

Oh - Look @ Mississippi State RB coach as well. Coach was a QB in college just like the Bugg and coached WR most of his career.
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Not trashing the KB hire whatsoever... just not thrilled about the position he's coaching, that's all... We need a guy that can recruit big time... btw, at least the guy the coahed at MSU coached on offense.. but, oh wait, how good is MSU????
 
uconnflyer88 said:
Texas - Ken Rucker:

A native of Morristown, Tenn., Rucker earned a bachelor's degree in physical education from Carson-Newman College in 1976. A standout defensive player for the Eagles, he was named the Most Valuable Player in 1976, all-conference as a linebacker in 1975 and Most Valuable Defensive Lineman in 1974. In April of 2009, Rucker was named to the Carson-Newman Football Hall of Fame.

That was after 2 minutes of research
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Nice find... Now show me a guy around KB's age...
 
Sometimes you have to just stop, think, and not post.

I am think the hire is very good with his connections here and in Va.
 
ktuck911 said:
btw, at least the guy the coahed at MSU coached on offense.. but, oh wait, how good is MSU????
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ktuck911 said:
Nice find... Now show me a guy around KB's age...
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When confronted with facts - Not young enough, not proficient enough offense... cripes. :confused:


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That's backstroking if you got distracted :)
 
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Texas and their stable of five Star backs might not need a RB coach. We do.

I'll give KB the benefit of the doubt for now, but I didn't like the Clayton White hire, and that didn't turn out very good.
 
Anyone suggesting that we are at ANY disadvantage for having a RB coach who didn't play Running Back in college is, simply put, wrong.

Out of 69 BCS Schools (plus Boise State), guess how many Running Backs coaches actually played RB in college? 24 (and I was generous and included fullbacks as running backs). Yes, you read that correctly. About a third (34.7%) of all major college RB coaches actually played RB or FB in college.

And yes, I do understand how sad it is that I actually looked this up. But with an argument so weak and grounded in nothing but some antiquated high school football mindset, I had to come with facts.

Backstroke on out of this argument.

Thanks.
 
Ronpatz11 said:
Anyone suggesting that we are at ANY disadvantage for having a RB coach who didn't play Running Back in college is, simply put, wrong.

Out of 69 BCS Schools (plus Boise State), guess how many Running Backs coaches actually played RB in college? 24 (and I was generous and included fullbacks as running backs). Yes, you read that correctly. About a third (34.7%) of all major college RB coaches actually played RB or FB in college.

And yes, I do understand how sad it is that I actually looked this up. But with an argument so weak and grounded in nothing but some antiquated high school football mindset, I had to come with facts.

Backstroke on out of this argument.

Thanks.
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So it's your opinion that there is no conceivable advantage to having a former RB as your RB coach, correct?

Would it be okay if not everyone shares that opinion?

Thanks.
 
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No mention of wallpaper. That right there is an improvement.
 
huskymedic said:
When confronted with facts - Not young enough, not proficient enough offense... cripes. :confused:


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That's backstroking if you got distracted :)
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...and my wife thinks I come here to talk about football...

Oh and regarding the RB coach hire, I'm about as far from an insider as you can get, so I can only hope that somebody, somewhere in the program knows something about football and can make a reasonable decision about a coaching hire (fingers crossed).
 
NutmegState said:
So it's your opinion that there is no conceivable advantage to having a former RB as your RB coach, correct?

Would it be okay if not everyone shares that opinion?

Thanks.
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That is absolutely my position as far as coaching the position.

And of course it is okay to have a differing opinion. This board would be boring if everyone agreed.

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sdhusky said:
I got to hand it to you. If someone made me look that dumb, I wouldn't keep calling attention to it.

But you are willing to go all-in on stupid.
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That's exactly what most think of us UCONN football fans anyways so keep piling on bro...

Husky fan til I die... My initial issue was misunderstood from the beginning... typical of this board... So, I play along... Some of you are a little too sensitive at times... Relax... It's just a football team that we hope we finally get its head out of its a** and take the next step...

Bottom line: we all really know jack*** about what's going on behind the seens and are entitled to our views and post them as we please... Don't know you and anybody else on this board from Adam other than that ( or maybe I do.. might gone to UCONN at the same time and we were in a few classes together way back when ).

Go Huskies
 
J187Money said:
I want to go on record that ALL hires are bad no matter who they are so if it turns out they are bad I can win message board arguments. And if they turn out good I will just say we got lucky with recruiting.
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Being a pessimist is the easy way out. . . .. we suck and you are right, we win and you are happy we win. There is absolutely no risk.

and, just to clarify, being an optimist is very different than having blinders on. There are very very obvious things that we need to improve as a program, starting with the gameday experience (AND THE MICKEY MOUSE SCOREBOARD/DJ DOG POUND), but in regard to these hires. . . . . when you combine available historical data, and where are as a program perception wise. . . .... these are great hires. Chip Kelly is not walking through that door guys. Maybe we have the next Chip Kelly? Who knows.

Nutmeg State - You are def entitled to your opinion that having a former RB as RB coach is an advantage to coaching the position, but multiple people have just brought forth actual facts that speak to the contrary. If you choose to ignore these facts and keep the same opinion, that is your choice, but no one should be called out for bringing facts to the argument.
 
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