KC Star: Multiple sources- if Mizzou out of Big 12, Big 12 goes to 12, adds 3 teams

[HuskyHawk]

is that why TX, TX Tech, OK & OK St all tried to join the PAC 10?

are you really trying to argue that Ohio, KY & WV are "more mid-west" than us? that's your argument?

I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree, despite the fact that you're an expert on the mid-west.

Have you ever heard them mention UConn or Rutgers? Has it been rumored? It's a midwest league. Had it broken up, with the TX and OK schools leaving (I never thought it would happen), the geography changes, and Kansas, Iowa and Missouri are the only states left. I think a link to the east could have been tolerable to them.

 

[Gate97]

"How would 4 basketball powers joining the league for Olympic sports be a bad thing. They would only have a say in Olympic matters...a place where all 4 add a ton of value. The problem with the Big East was the even split between Bball and Football schools so as a result nothing could get accomplished. if the arrangment is 16 vs 4 the bball schools can't control policy and the paycheck will help them to keep there mouths shut and fall in line.

It makes sense."

It's not like the ACC needs much help in the hoops department now that they have Cuse and Pitt. Add them to UNC, Duke, and whomever is decent any given year (sometimes Clemson, sometimes G'Tech, sometimes Maryland, etc.) and it's not like Georgetown, SJU, or anyone else is bringing that much more to the table. Besides, with football really driving the TV money, that just means less money for all of the full sport ACC teams. Any hoops / olympic additions are not adding that much more to the TV take when it has to be split 16-20 ways. It's subtraction by addition...

 

[CL82]

Aw man... now I'm not going to be able to get any work done today, either!

I blame conference realignment for the sluggish economy. Worker productivity is way off.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

"How would 4 basketball powers joining the league for Olympic sports be a bad thing. They would only have a say in Olympic matters...a place where all 4 add a ton of value. The problem with the Big East was the even split between Bball and Football schools so as a result nothing could get accomplished. if the arrangment is 16 vs 4 the bball schools can't control policy and the paycheck will help them to keep there mouths shut and fall in line.

It makes sense."

It's not like the ACC needs much help in the hoops department now that they have Cuse and Pitt. Add them to UNC, Duke, and whomever is decent any given year (sometimes Clemson, sometimes G'Tech, sometimes Maryland, etc.) and it's not like Georgetown, SJU, or anyone else is bringing that much more to the table. Besides, with football really driving the TV money, that just means less money for all of the full sport ACC teams. Any hoops / olympic additions are not adding that much more to the TV take when it has to be split 16-20 ways. It's subtraction by addition...

I can't see the ACC adding ND for non-football and another basketball only. The southern football schools would shoot that down in a second, or bolt to another league. ND's either all in, or in with a very strong scheduling deal of at least 6 games per year and some type of prorated revenue share, or they're not in.

 

[BlueMAB]

I can't see the ACC adding ND for non-football and another basketball only. The southern football schools would shoot that down in a second, or bolt to another league. ND's either all in, or in with a very strong scheduling deal of at least 6 games per year and some type of prorated revenue share, or they're not in.

Unless the southern football schools could be convinced this was a precursor to ND joining for all sports as conferences expand to 14/16 making scheduling for independent BCS programs incredibly difficult.

 

[RS9999X]

If there's a bb school who didn't hold anyone of the fb schools back, it would be Gtown. .

Holding back the Football programs? Holding them back from what? A public suck off?
Rutgers football sucks because of Marquette Basketball?
Are we on the same planet?
Temple Football's 18,000 attendance was basketball related?
Miami left because of basketball travel costs?
Half the rumors on basketball blocking expansion are nonsense. It's like the message boards filling up with "USF blocked UCF" when in reality USF proposed UCF as a BE addition the same day.
The Nova upgrade is a unique issue.

 

[IthacaMatt]

What does the ACC lose by offering ND a spot for olympic sports? They aren't losing their BCS bid, they aren't losing money, they aren't losing prestige, they aren't losing conference members. What is the downside that makes the move stupid for them? What is the downside for the ACC?

Admitting ND to any conference as a partial member is begging for a repeat of what happened to the Big East. Anybody who doesn't understand this really needs to take a seat at the kiddie table.

 

[Druken Friar]

Admitting ND to any conference as a partial member is begging for a repeat of what happened to the Big East. Anybody who doesn't understand this really needs to take a seat at the kiddie table.

You think the ACC would get 11 teams to the NCAA? I think your being a bit optimistic.

 

[LRock34]

"How would 4 basketball powers joining the league for Olympic sports be a bad thing. They would only have a say in Olympic matters...a place where all 4 add a ton of value. The problem with the Big East was the even split between Bball and Football schools so as a result nothing could get accomplished. if the arrangment is 16 vs 4 the bball schools can't control policy and the paycheck will help them to keep there mouths shut and fall in line.

It makes sense."

Besides, with football really driving the TV money, that just means less money for all of the full sport ACC teams. Any hoops / olympic additions are not adding that much more to the TV take when it has to be split 16-20 ways. It's subtraction by addition...

It's actually not but I'm already exhausted with this. Read my other "solution" thread. ESPN already planned to pay UConn and RU in the old big east. Paying them in the new ACC still saves ESPN money because the Big East is dead. If you can't see what Gtown, Nova, UConn, and SJU would do for ACC basketball and ESPN's winter sports well....

That 20 team conference would have 8 to 10 top 25 programs every week. If you watch college basketball you would be watching the ACC. This "basketball doesn't matter" argument is BS. What else to college sports fans watch in the winter? Adding Pitt and Cuse only destroys the Big East...it doesn't however promise the eyeballs in CT, NJ, Boston, Philly, NYC, DC. My idea does.

 

[LRock34]

Admitting ND to any conference as a partial member is begging for a repeat of what happened to the Big East. Anybody who doesn't understand this really needs to take a seat at the kiddie table.

Your wrong about this. The Big East problem was the 8 and 8 model. That model gave ND all the power. In a 16/4 model ND has no power. Instead they only have a safe and profitable home for their Olympic sports and that is all they need.

 

[BlueMAB]

Admitting ND to any conference as a partial member is begging for a repeat of what happened to the Big East. Anybody who doesn't understand this really needs to take a seat at the kiddie table.

Ok, since the Big East and ACC have so much in common, why don't you explain how it would happen again. Shouldn't be difficult for you since a child could understand it

 

[flyonthewall]

The ACC is many things but one of the things it is not is stupid. There is no reason for them to add any more basketball schools. If the new BE does not happen the Catholic CYO league will be decent but not in the same category as the ACC. Even the new BE will not be as much of a threat to the ACC's dominance in basketball as was the old BE.

The only way I see the ACC adding a team for something other than all sports is that they add ND for everything other than football and do some sort of scheduling agreement where ND has to play a certain number of ACC teams in FB each year. The ACC is probably smart enough to also require ND to agree as a condition to that sort of a deal that if ND ever joins a conference for FB in the future it would join the ACC.

The football schools in the ACC will not vote to add any schools who do not have a strong FB program. Other than ND, there is no one out there who offers that to the ACC along with the other things that the ACC wants like strong academics which is why WVU is not an option. ACC will stay at 14 for a long time.