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Karen Aston's contract NOT extended

Well maybe, in my analysis of what schools get the Top 10 players, Kim has signed 6 HoopGurlz Top 10 since 2014 while Texas signed 8. IF you look at Prospect Nation Kim signed 9 while Texas signed 8. so it's not like Texas wasn't getting talent. Were they getting the RIGHT talent and developing them? Clearly not. That said, Kim has also had her fair share of recent Top 10 transfers like Natalie Chou, Honesty Scott-Grayson, Alexis Morris and Aquira DeCosta to counteract the Texas defections of Sedona Prince, Rellah Booth and Chasity Patterson.

I guess we get to find out how well a "school" can recruit as Vic, for all his success has had exactly 1 Top 10 recruit join his team and that was this year in Rickea Jackson. I think all told he will have much better ingredients to make his signature teams.
Karen's recruiting in the past couple years took a major nose dive, and particularly her "in" with elite in-state recruits. Her lone significant 2019 recruit was from New York. Her top recruit for 2020 is local but barely inside the HG top 100. (Edit: Her top 2020 recruit is HG #54 from California.)

Kim saw significant out-transfers even before Karen did but that never seemed to bring down her program too badly because (a) she had often over-recruited anyway, (b) she never lost an entire recruiting class, (c) she also got some key offsetting in-transfers like Alexis Jones and Chloe Jackson, and (d) she's just a better teacher-coach anyway.
 
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Karen's recruiting in the past couple years took a major nose dive, and particularly her "in" with elite in-state recruits. Her lone significant 2019 recruit was from New York. Her top recruit for 2020 is local but barely inside the HG top 100.

Kim saw significant out-transfers even before Karen did but that never seemed to bring down her program too badly because (a) she had often over-recruited anyway, (b) she never lost an entire recruiting class, (b) she also got some key offsetting in-transfers like Alexis Jones and Chloe Jackson, and (c) she's just a better teacher-coach anyway.
Her top 2020 was actually #52 Ashley Chevalier from Sierra Canyon.
 
Her top 2020 was actually #52 Ashley Chevalier from Sierra Canyon.
Ha forgot about Chevalier for the moment. Brain fart, thank you.

Still, the dropoff in recruiting is very noticeable from the 2014-17 period.
 
Ha forgot about Chevalier for the moment. Brain fart, thank you.

Still, the dropoff in recruiting is very noticeable from the 2014-17 period.
Absolutely. No Andrews, Gusters, Gaston, Maliyah Johnson, Sahara Jones was not a good look, especially when she was landing Prince, Collier, Patterson, Higgs, etc. 2+ years ago.
 
Ha forgot about Chevalier for the moment. Brain fart, thank you.

Still, the dropoff in recruiting is very noticeable from the 2014-17 period.
From 2014-17 Aston recruited very well. #3 Atkins, #7 Higgs, #6 Sutton, #2 Holmes, 34 Patterson, #3 Booth, and in 2018 she got #8 Prince and #2 Collier. That's recruiting well. Getting them to stay is a different issue. Texas out recruited Baylor during that period. Kim actually develops players and has an offense plus a transition based defense to score, something Texas never developed. But to say Texas didn't recruit up until these past 2 years is wrong. Was it maybe the wrong recruits, sure, I think that is a part of it. I can't believe I am having to defend Karen and Texas, (I will have to take a shower after this), but when you say drop off, what you mean is >#25 ranked recruits as she was still getting top 100 players, just not the elite rankings she did garner.

Again, I have parsed the list to a "Top 10" as usually that group is significantly better than the next group as this Top 10 usually comprises the USA youth teams (U16, U17, U18). Kim does get and develop her #11-50 ranked players as well as anyone other than MM or Geno. That also builds her depth. And as you noted, Baylor has always had transfers leaving more so than other programs because she too, has often over recruited.

I suspect Vic will see his trend of better recruiting now as Austin and Texas are "better known" names that Starkville or MSU (no offense to all my Bulldog colleagues) and with all the other "Texas" accoutrements that allows over what Mississippi had to offer. How well he will do is yet to be seen. This is the exact same enthusiasm that the wooing and signing of Gail had so let's see if it is a "Texas" curse or not. ;)
 
I've heard most of what you stated in the past. What still does not make sense to me is why Plonsky would not want Gail to retain any of the current assistant coaches. Typically, you have an AD trying to force conditions on a new hire of who they will be required to retain, and new head coaches hate that restriction.

@southie , that is a very good question. And honestly, I do not know. I can ask my source (who provided me the information I posted from Gail Goestenkors herself).

Most Texas fans wanted Gail to retain our other assistant head coach, and former men's hoopster, Travis Mays, as he was the one who had proven himself on the job.

Side note...it is crazy to see how his career has progressed and what has happened at SMU, especially given your statement about him having proven himself while at Texas.

Duke had a similar situation. Tia Jackson was one of Goestenkors' assistant coaches in her last few years at Duke. She had very good success on the recruiting trail and was well-liked by the players.

When Goestenkors left for Texas in 2007, Jackson was brought to Washington by former athletic director Todd Turner to change the culture of women’s basketball. But after one year, 4 of 6 freshmen transferred (one mother of a player described Jackson "an old school, ’60s, boys P.E., tyrant coach"). In four seasons under Jackson, Washington never finished better than 13-18 and her overall record was 45-75.

Jackson was subsequently hired by Rutgers as an assistant coach (Jackson played for Stringer at Iowa). She spent four years there, before leaving for Miami in 2015, where she has been an assistant coach ever since.

Can you tell me why she hired Lakale Malone of all people? That just didn't move the needle in any way.

Honestly, it had a lot to do with her availability -- and the lack of availability of others.

Of Gail's assistants at Duke, Gale Valley joined her at Texas. But as for the others? As I mentioned above, Jackson decided to leave Duke to take the HC job at Washington. And Shannon Perry decided to stay at Duke to coach under McCallie -- which did not last, as Perry left Duke after only one year under McCallie (after a year away from coaching, Perry later took an assistant coaching job at UCLA, where she has been since 2011).

With neither Jackson nor Perry following her to Duke, Goestenkors needed someone. And frankly, she needed someone who knew the Big 12 recruiting landscape. Malone had been the at Assistant Coach/Recruiting Coordinator at Nebraska for four years. Connie Yori's teams during those years improved from the basement of the Big 12 to .500/middle of the pack status, eventually improving to 22 wins (10-6 in conference play, for 4th place) and making the NCAA Tournament in Malone's last year.

At the time, it made some sense, considering Jackson/Perry not following Goestenkors, the timing (already April 2007, heading into the spring/summer recruiting cycle), and how Malone appeared on paper.
 
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As a follow-up to my initial post in this thread in response to the assertion that Gail Goestenkors did not want to work that or work hard enough (paraphrasing the original poster's comment), I think MoFanClub had an interesting and different perspective on Goestenkors' decision to leave Texas after five years, with two years remaining on her contract:

I will always respect Coach G for taking herself out at Texas. She could have kept taking the big $$ but chose to walk away when she wasn't building teams to her expectations. That is class.
 
Her top 2020 was actually #52 Ashley Chevalier from Sierra Canyon.
Curiously, in the final 2020 rankings Chevalier was dropped from #52 to #86.
 
I wonder if the AD at Duke has paid any attention to what happened with Aston and Texas. A similar situation is unfolding.

Live footage of triadduke before bed every night

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I wonder if the AD at Duke has paid any attention to what happened with Aston and Texas. A similar situation is unfolding.
Why would the Duke AD care about what's happening at Notre Dame? So MM had a bad year and recruiting is a tad dry for 2021 and 2022...that's not his problem...:rolleyes:
 
Curiously, in the final 2020 rankings Chevalier was dropped from #52 to #86.
I saw that. He had two new evaluations on her, one from a tournament in Duncanville and another at Nike TOC. She must not have impressed.

I would be rather surprised if DeYona' Gaston did not follow Vic to Texas.
 
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I saw that. He had two new evaluations on her, one from a tournament in Duncanville and another at Nike TOC. She must not have impressed.

I would be rather surprised if DeYona' Gaston did not follow Vic to Texas.
A lot of these girls are very close to Johnnie Harris. Some may be waiting to see what she does.
 

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