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Yes or No ????? Top 5 All time NCAA women basketball players
 

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What are they ranking? College, Pro, International, combined?
 
Usually the criteria is, you know, actually winning an NCAAT title and/or more than one which the updated list has done. For all of Clark's greatness (and she was and is great), she never won a title. As many have discussed, Paige needs a title to cement her greatness, though in many of our eyes, she already has (I have her top 5 all-time for UConn but a title this year would move her up to #4 on my Mt Rushmore Mountain....). Just sayin....
 
gold2323 said:
Top all time WBB
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So, NCAA players on their whole (college, pro, international) careers? Or just NCAA career?

OR, Women's Basketball, which would include pro's from other countries who never played NCAA?
 
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last, newest thing recent player.
 
I think Stewart is the top NCAA player ever, and could eventually be the top overall, but it's hard to see how the top all-time WNBA scorer (with three NCAA titles, three WNBA titles, and six Olympic gold medals) isn't number 1 right now.
 
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fomalhaut said:
I think Stewart is the top NCAA player ever, and could eventually be the top overall, but it's hard to see how the top all-time WNBA scorer (with three NCAA titles, three WNBA titles, and six Olympic gold medals) isn't number 1 right now.
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All those accolades are great. But that is not what sets her apart from everybody else. This does: “Between the NCAA Tournament, WNBA Playoffs, and the Olympics, DT’s played in 46 elimination games over the course of her basketball career; she hasn’t gone home 42 of those times. In total, Taurasi holds an overall record of 42-4, good enough for a staggering 91% win record.” (WNBA.com)
 
I think this”greatest player” thing is very subjective. Clearly, if you look at titles, then Stewie is #1, with Taurasi & Holdsclaw #2, & Maya and Candace probably tied at #3. However, if you look at indomitable, dogged winners, I would probably choose Dee. If you look at players who just played the game so beautifully that you were just mesmerized watching her, I would choose Paige & Maya. If you looked only at the ”clutch” gene, I would choose Dee & Paige. Scoring? Caitlin! Physical ability? Maya & Cheryl Miller! Leadership? Sue & Dee! You can go on and on with categories and of course, everyone is going to have different opinions on everything and then you also have the generational thing. It’s not like all the great players were limited to my (or anyone’s) lifespan!
 
SCNCHuskie said:
All those accolades are great. But that is not what sets her apart from everybody else. This does: “Between the NCAA Tournament, WNBA Playoffs, and the Olympics, DT’s played in 46 elimination games over the course of her basketball career; she hasn’t gone home 42 of those times. In total, Taurasi holds an overall record of 42-4, good enough for a staggering 91% win record.” (WNBA.com)
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Wow! That’s impressive!
 
maple said:
If it’s just in NCAAW then Stewart should be #1 or at the very least top 3.
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I agree. If we're talking about just college, it's hard to argue that 4 NCs is not #1. If we're talking about lifetime achievement, how could it not be DT? Someone's going to surpass 6 Olympic gold medals and everything else she has accomplished. I think not.
 
Cuango said:
I think this”greatest player” thing is very subjective. Clearly, if you look at titles, then Stewie is #1, with Taurasi & Holdsclaw #2, & Maya and Candace probably tied at #3. However, if you look at indomitable, dogged winners, I would probably choose Dee. If you look at players who just played the game so beautifully that you were just mesmerized watching her, I would choose Paige & Maya. If you looked only at the ”clutch” gene, I would choose Dee & Paige. Scoring? Caitlin! Physical ability? Maya & Cheryl Miller! Leadership? Sue & Dee! You can go on and on with categories and of course, everyone is going to have different opinions on everything and then you also have the generational thing. It’s not like all the great players were limited to my (or anyone’s) lifespan!
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Your post makes so much sense it's shocking :)
 
Yes championships do matter, it matters when determining goat, Taurasi was in the same position Clark was in her jr and sr year and got it done. Yes Clark scored more but also shot it more and turned it over more. Doesn't discount Clark's greatness but if D turned it over as much she doesn't win it all in 2003 and 2004.
 
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Cuango said:
I think this”greatest player” thing is very subjective. Clearly, if you look at titles, then Stewie is #1, with Taurasi & Holdsclaw #2, & Maya and Candace probably tied at #3. However, if you look at indomitable, dogged winners, I would probably choose Dee. If you look at players who just played the game so beautifully that you were just mesmerized watching her, I would choose Paige & Maya. If you looked only at the ”clutch” gene, I would choose Dee & Paige. Scoring? Caitlin! Physical ability? Maya & Cheryl Miller! Leadership? Sue & Dee! You can go on and on with categories and of course, everyone is going to have different opinions on everything and then you also have the generational thing. It’s not like all the great players were limited to my (or anyone’s) lifespan!
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Excellent perspective, Cuango, but I'll ask the question that should baffle everyone: if DT is the most 'indomitable, dogged winner,' why does she have just three WNBA titles in two decades. I've seen her play less than her best a number of times over the years as Phoenix would suffer elimination.
 
Skeets said:
I agree. If we're talking about just college, it's hard to argue that 4 NCs is not #1. If we're talking about lifetime achievement, how could it not be DT? Someone's going to surpass 6 Olympic gold medals and everything else she has accomplished. I think not.
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That DT was on the last two Olympics teams were gifts to her resume. She clearly wasn't deserving as one of the best players.
 
Scoe said:
Yes championships do matter, it matters when determining goat, Taurasi was in the same position Clark was in her jr and sr year and got it done. Yes Clark scored more but also shot it more and turned it over more. Doesn't discount Clark's greatness but if D turned it over as much she doesn't win it all in 2003 and 2004.
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Caitlin also had many more rebounds and assists than DT in their respective NCAA Final Four games. It might be that, in spite of all the BY posts to the contrary, DT had better supporting casts, and also played lesser opponents.
 
The deacon said:
Caitlin also had many more rebounds and assists than DT in their respective NCAA Final Four games. It might be that, in spite of all the BY posts to the contrary, DT had better supporting casts, and also played lesser opponents.
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And more turnovers and more points scored on her. 2003 and 2004 UConn team weren't juggernaut teams. We're talking 3 championships here not 1 ok I'll be nice and leave out 2002 since it was a juggernaut team, Taurasi won back to back as the focal point.

LSU and South Carolina weren't juggernaut teams, South Carolina was closer to one but LSU was similar to Tennessee. Teams could also afford to be more physical on Taurasi. Clark got sent to the line more, as time evolves stats do increase.
 
When Clark was going thru her astonishing run in the NCAA tourney 2 years ago Geno said the only one that carried her team like Clark was doing in the tournament was DT
 
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Clark is a great player but she shot the ball more and was a ft mercenary, oh yeah and no championships that does matter for goat status.
 
Scoe said:
Yes championships do matter, it matters when determining goat, Taurasi was in the same position Clark was in her jr and sr year and got it done. Yes Clark scored more but also shot it more and turned it over more. Doesn't discount Clark's greatness but if D turned it over as much she doesn't win it all in 2003 and 2004.
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I’m guessing Dee had better players, certainly had better coaching, and also benefited from the UConn mystique and “expectation to win!” Not taking anything away from Dee. She deserves every accolade.
 
I think as far as NCAA you have to give Stewart the prize, and I would put DT at 2. Maya and Catch probably follow.

As far as career to date:
DT at 1
Sue at 2

Both with incredibly long professional careers and success internationally as well as in the National Team, the W and in college.

Players like Wilson and Stewart are building their careers and have a ways to go - check back in a decade.

The older players didn't get the professional opportunities and the foreign players ended up second place because of the USA dominance internationally and the fact that the W wasn't as important to them - Jackson is an exception as are a few others who had long careers in the W.

Maya falls in there somewhere, but realistically she had a very short pro career, choosing to move in other directions. Brilliant while she lasted, but too short to be in the top 5 I think.
 
maple said:
If it’s just in NCAAW then Stewart should be #1 or at the very least top 3.
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At UConn maybe since you will be playing with 4 other HS All Americans every season. But if you go to a regular school and you are the team then the NC isn't really a fair requirement. Basketball is a team game and great teams usually have great players not just a great player.
 
Let's see - size, coordination, high basketball IQ, four NCAA championships - not a bad formula for a number one.
 
Rowdy831 said:
At UConn maybe since you will be playing with 4 other HS All Americans every season. But if you go to a regular school and you are the team then the NC isn't really a fair requirement. Basketball is a team game and great teams usually have great players not just a great player.
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And yet I didn't say anything at all about how many championships she won.

Stewart was such a versatile player. She could truly do it all. I remember one AAC game where she sprinted from one end to the other to block a shot and not foul in the process. Or the way she just effortless would score 20 points on a seemingly "quiet" night. She wasn't always very flashy, but she always got it done. Especially in the way she completely locked in during the 2013 tournament and lead the team to a huge FF win over ND.

In many ways, Sarah Strong reminds me of her. The type of player who just gets it done and makes it look like she isn't even really trying (in the best way).

Sure she was surrounded by a terrific ensemble cast at UConn. But she could have gone anywhere at all and been the star there too. She may have won less championships at another school but she would still have been outstanding.
 
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