Just a few NCAA record book observations

[UcMiami]

I was looking at the NCAA record book and thought a people would enjoy a few observations:

1. While Uconn has 2 of the top 20 scoring offenses, none are in the top 10 - 1999 is ranked #11 and 1995 is #16.

2. On the other side of the ball Uconn has 5 of the top 20 and the top two scoring defenses (2010, 2012) the fifth (2014) 12th (2013) and 15th (2011)

3. Where the Uconn defense/offense really comes to the fore is in scoring margin - 11 of the top 20 and the four top MOVs (2002, 2010, 2014, 1995), 8th (2013), 10th (2001), 12th+13th (2000,2009), 15th (1999), 17th (2012) and 19th (2008)

4. Field goal and field goal defense percentage - Uconn has only 1 of the top 15 highest field goal percentage #7 in 2000, but again the defensive side of the equation stands out 9 of the top 20 - the top 3 (2010, 2012, 2014), 5th (1995), 7th (2013) and 10th 2002) for 6 of the top 10, as well as 14th +15th (2011, 2008) and the 20th (2003)

Interesting to see that while Uconn is always a good offensive team, it really stands out in defensive statistic and more importantly the combined stat of defense plus offense.

It is also interesting to note who the other ranked scoring defensive teams are: LSU in 2007 and 2008 (Sylvia Fowles era - #7 and #14), South Carolina in 2013 (surprise to me but perhaps reflective of a truly dreadful OOC? #16) and the others are all mid majors - Hampton, Green Bay, UAB, Delaware St, Albany, Marist, Liberty, Howard, Hartford, and Manhattan.

the new record book -
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_RB/2015/DIWBB.pdf

 

[DobbsRover2]

Two really nice additions are UConn being added to the top of the won-lost list at 40-0 along with Baylor, after three 39-0 and one 35-0 seasons, and the Blocks citation, though UConn finished at #2 all-time behind 2003 Jackson St. bpg, they are entered also as the leader in total blocks with an asterisk in the Blocked Shots category of the Annual leaders section.

UConn also had two happy additions to the No. 1 vs No. 2 list. Their historical winning percentage has now grown to a 1% lead over UTenn at 82.7% to 81.7%, and UTenn's lead over UConn in games won shrank to 342, --and they had an 80 year head start .

UTenn is not in the top 5 for games won or winning percentage in the Last Five Years lists. The Last 5 Won-Lost list may need an edit since the header starts at "Through 2014", changes on another page to "Through 2013," and ends at "Through 2012" for the teams at the end of the alphabet.

The Huskies do not yet make the Consecutive Conference Victories (excluding postseason games) for the AAC yet, which now stands at 18, but they will be there in next year's list at 36. They should challenge their Big East mark of 57 early in January of 2017. ND still has a 36 game conference streak spanning the Big East and ACC going back to a home loss to West Virginia in 2012.

And in the Trends area, anyone grousing about poor FT shooting will be happy to know that WCBB teams reached their highest average mark ever last year at 69.33%, the best ever by quite a bit since only once before has the average gone above 69% at 69.04%. Still well below the 75% that some fans want to see for all teams, but it is improving.

 

[meyers7]

I was looking at the NCAA record book and thought a people would enjoy a few observations:

I know I would.

4. Field goal and field goal defense percentage - Uconn has only 1 of the top 15 highest field goal percentage #7 in 2000, but again the defensive side of the equation stands out 9 of the top 20 - the top 3 (2010, 2012, 2014), 5th (1995), 7th (2013) and 10th 2002) for 6 of the top 10, as well as 14th +15th (2011, 2008) and the 20th (2003)

So really, although everyone talks about the beautiful play of UCONN's offense, they really are a defensive powerhouse.

It is also interesting to note who the other ranked scoring defensive teams are: LSU in 2007 and 2008 (Sylvia Fowles era - #7 and #14), South Carolina in 2013 (surprise to me but perhaps reflective of a truly dreadful OOC? #16) and the others are all mid majors - Hampton, Green Bay, UAB, Delaware St, Albany, Marist, Liberty, Howard, Hartford, and Manhattan.

hmmmm Pat's Tennessee teams, based on defense and rebounding, aren't anywhere to be found in the defensive annals?

 

[meyers7]

Woah, here's a record.

Largest Deficit Overcome to Win a Game

32—Texas St. trailed UTSA, 40-8, with 2:18 remaining in
first half (won 73-71 in overtime), Feb. 18, 2006

Yikes!

 

[UcMiami]

Thankfully they do not have the record for most futile first half of am NCAA final! Still have nightmares about that Stanford game!

 

[Bayareahusky]

Nice stats!!!!

 

[rugbymate]

I was looking at the NCAA record book and thought a people would enjoy a few observations:

1. While Uconn has 2 of the top 20 scoring offenses, none are in the top 10 - 1999 is ranked #11 and 1995 is #16.

2. On the other side of the ball Uconn has 5 of the top 20 and the top two scoring defenses (2010, 2012) the fifth (2014) 12th (2013) and 15th (2011)

3. Where the Uconn defense/offense really comes to the fore is in scoring margin - 11 of the top 20 and the four top MOVs (2002, 2010, 2014, 1995), 8th (2013), 10th (2001), 12th+13th (2000,2009), 15th (1999), 17th (2012) and 19th (2008)

4. Field goal and field goal defense percentage - Uconn has only 1 of the top 15 highest field goal percentage #7 in 2000, but again the defensive side of the equation stands out 9 of the top 20 - the top 3 (2010, 2012, 2014), 5th (1995), 7th (2013) and 10th 2002) for 6 of the top 10, as well as 14th +15th (2011, 2008) and the 20th (2003)

Interesting to see that while Uconn is always a good offensive team, it really stands out in defensive statistic and more importantly the combined stat of defense plus offense.

It is also interesting to note who the other ranked scoring defensive teams are: LSU in 2007 and 2008 (Sylvia Fowles era - #7 and #14), South Carolina in 2013 (surprise to me but perhaps reflective of a truly dreadful OOC? #16) and the others are all mid majors - Hampton, Green Bay, UAB, Delaware St, Albany, Marist, Liberty, Howard, Hartford, and Manhattan.

the new record book -
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_RB/2015/DIWBB.pdf

Great stuff!! The eye test says that the women's game keeps getting better and the competition deeper. Are there any statistics that would back that up? I suppose that while offenses get better so do defenses so it may be difficult to prove.

 

[DobbsRover2]

Woah, here's a record.

Largest Deficit Overcome to Win a Game

32—Texas St. trailed UTSA, 40-8, with 2:18 remaining in
first half (won 73-71 in overtime), Feb. 18, 2006

Yikes!

But at a 32 deficit to make up in regulation, that's still less than needing 1.5 more points per minute. How about that last listing for UCLA, which needed to make up more than 4 points per minute at the end to come back from 17 down.

And if you want to get ugly, how about the 68 FTs attempted by Eastern KY in regulation back in a 1986 game, the trio of games in which both teams combined for 22 points in a half (Cal and UCLA being one of the miserable pairs), the 11 points for the game scored by Tennessee State in 2010, the 38 steals in a game by Grambling against Manacled U. in 1987, and the 19 blocks that New Orleans, TCU, and Denver had put on teams (and yes UConn did get 17 versus Houston last year, but that was beautiful). Of course the biggest ugly jaw dropper from last year was the 112 FTAs by KY and Baylor, but it was in a 4-OT game, so you have to give them a break there.

Two old single-game records that may never be broken are the 102 point margin that Grambling smacked on Jarvis Christian in 1986 (what team would dare exceed that nowadays), and the 31-31 FT shooting by Nebraska in a 1996 game. Just wow.

 

[DobbsRover2]

Great stuff!! The eye test says that the women's game keeps getting better and the competition deeper. Are there any statistics that would back that up? I suppose that while offenses get better so do defenses so it may be difficult to prove.

Yeah, you can't prove anything by stats because it's always a tug-of-war between offense and defense, and a drop in steals may mean better ball handling and better blocking abilities may mean a decline in FG%. One stat that theoretically is unaffected this way is FT% (unless you point to places like ND that have certain arena FT defense mechanisms), and the trend has been upward over the last 33 years by a swing of 4 to 5%, which is considerable.

A one year turnaround of an extreme nature occurred last year as scoring rose on average 5.58 ppg, spread pretty evenly between more 2-pt FGs, 3-pt FGs, and FTs being made, and 1.5 shots and almost 3 more FTs being attempted per game. This was a truly monumental change, and was due to rule changes and how the rules were applied in games.

 

[Buzzyboy]

I was looking at the NCAA record book and thought a people would enjoy a few observations:

1. While Uconn has 2 of the top 20 scoring offenses, none are in the top 10 - 1999 is ranked #11 and 1995 is #16.

2. On the other side of the ball Uconn has 5 of the top 20 and the top two scoring defenses (2010, 2012) the fifth (2014) 12th (2013) and 15th (2011)

3. Where the Uconn defense/offense really comes to the fore is in scoring margin - 11 of the top 20 and the four top MOVs (2002, 2010, 2014, 1995), 8th (2013), 10th (2001), 12th+13th (2000,2009), 15th (1999), 17th (2012) and 19th (2008)

4. Field goal and field goal defense percentage - Uconn has only 1 of the top 15 highest field goal percentage #7 in 2000, but again the defensive side of the equation stands out 9 of the top 20 - the top 3 (2010, 2012, 2014), 5th (1995), 7th (2013) and 10th 2002) for 6 of the top 10, as well as 14th +15th (2011, 2008) and the 20th (2003)

Interesting to see that while Uconn is always a good offensive team, it really stands out in defensive statistic and more importantly the combined stat of defense plus offense.

It is also interesting to note who the other ranked scoring defensive teams are: LSU in 2007 and 2008 (Sylvia Fowles era - #7 and #14), South Carolina in 2013 (surprise to me but perhaps reflective of a truly dreadful OOC? #16) and the others are all mid majors - Hampton, Green Bay, UAB, Delaware St, Albany, Marist, Liberty, Howard, Hartford, and Manhattan.

the new record book -
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_RB/2015/DIWBB.pdf

What really makes a lot of UConn's top 20 appearances in the categories you mentioned so impressive is the fact that they were accomplished with UConn playing in a pretty darn good conference while playing a very strong OOC schedule against many top 10 teams. I'm sure that what some of the top 20 teams on the list accomplished they did, in general, against weaker competition, thus making their stats easier to accomplish. To dominate like the Huskies have against stronger competition really tells you who UConn is and what a job Geno and his staff have done over these years.

 

[Sonny44]

It always amazes me the every time we play ND they come in with the "highest scoring offense in WBB". Always over 90 sthey should be hard to beat, right. But we beat them by nearly 20 the last three times we played them holding them to some 35 or so points below their average.
So who do they play, do thet just like to run up the scores against mediocre teams, or what?
SOS isn't figured into best offense, not just points.

 

[DobbsRover2]

Last year ND played 11 of their 32 regular season games against ranked opponents, and averaged 86 points with a 24.4 point scoring margin for the season. They did beat UConn seven times in the previous three years before last year, so they aren't really the best candidate to disparage, as if the Irish ever did have any fans who posted they might well have been making the same type of negative comments about UConn from 2010-2013.

All teams have some weak opponents on their schedule, and the ACC has more weak teams than the conference's fans would like to admit, but this year ND is playing its 4th game against a ranked team tonight among the ten it has played, and I'm guessing that after tonight they will have a top 30 SOS in Sagarin ratings. However, the sometimes true adage is that good defense beats good offense, and on Saturday UConn's extraordinary defense figured out how to shut down a high scoring team.

 

[DavidK]

It always amazes me the every time we play ND they come in with the "highest scoring offense in WBB". Always over 90 sthey should be hard to beat, right. But we beat them by nearly 20 the last three times we played them holding them to some 35 or so points below their average.
So who do they play, do thet just like to run up the scores against mediocre teams, or what?
SOS isn't figured into best offense, not just points.

Well I do think their offense is that good that on a given night vs anyone but Uconn, they should come close to 90. A week ago today they scored 92 against Maryland, not bad.

This has more to do with how good our defense is. Early on saturday they were scoring at that pace for almost 10 minutes. We made adjustments by making them take tough shots and Stokes coming in holding them to one shot and done, it takes Notre Dame out of their offensive rythm.

Defense wins championships.

 

[VAUConnFan]

Thankfully they do not have the record for most futile first half of am NCAA final! Still have nightmares about that Stanford game!

Different record book(The Final Four Record Book):
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_final_four_records_book/2014/FullBook.pdf

 

[meyers7]

But at a 32 deficit to make up in regulation, that's still less than needing 1.5 more points per minute.

It wasn't so much how quickly they made up the deficit (or not quickly), but rather being down 32 before half time one has to be pretty outclassed. There aren't many times UCONN is up by 30+ at the half (occasionally, but against teams they way out class). But then to be that far out classed and come back and win? Crazy.

 

[UcMiami]

Different record book(The Final Four Record Book):
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_final_four_records_book/2014/FullBook.pdf

OK - so you had to post a record book where that Uconn Stanford final is prominently noted in a number of categories - fewest points combined, fewest first half points combined, and fewest points in a half by one team! Grrr!

 

[DobbsRover2]

It wasn't so much how quickly they made up the deficit (or not quickly), but rather being down 32 before half time one has to be pretty outclassed. There aren't many times UCONN is up by 30+ at the half (occasionally, but against teams they way out class). But then to be that far out classed and come back and win? Crazy.

Tell it to the tortoise, who if my fable memory is correct was down by 32 stadii after 17 minutes and still came back to win it at the tape. The bad thing about big early leads is that they make you lazy. And yes, UConn had a two games last year when they were up 40+ at the half and four or five more where they were up by over 30, but fortunately they did not go all rabbitty on us.

 

[meyers7]

Tell it to the tortoise, who if my fable memory is correct was down by 32 stadii after 17 minutes and still came back to win it at the tape. The bad thing about big early leads is that they make you lazy. And yes, UConn had a two games last year when they were up 40+ at the half and four or five more where they were up by over 30, but fortunately they did not go all rabbitty on us.

Yea, the "wow" factor of the 32 point comeback was not in the comeback team, but in the team that was ahead, falling apart that badly.

 

[VAUConnFan]

OK - so you had to post a record book where that Uconn Stanford final is prominently noted in a number of categories - fewest points combined, fewest first half points combined, and fewest points in a half by one team! Grrr!

Take heart. UConn and its outstanding history of great players are all over the Final Four Record Book in an astounding number of high production categories.

 

[Buzzyboy]

Last year ND played 11 of their 32 regular season games against ranked opponents, and averaged 86 points with a 24.4 point scoring margin for the season. They did beat UConn seven times in the previous three years before last year, so they aren't really the best candidate to disparage, as if the Irish ever did have any fans who posted they might well have been making the same type of negative comments about UConn from 2010-2013.

All teams have some weak opponents on their schedule, and the ACC has more weak teams than the conference's fans would like to admit, but this year ND is playing its 4th game against a ranked team tonight among the ten it has played, and I'm guessing that after tonight they will have a top 30 SOS in Sagarin ratings. However, the sometimes true adage is that good defense beats good offense, and on Saturday UConn's extraordinary defense figured out how to shut down a high scoring team.

I'm sick of those seven losses over three years remarks because the truth of it is that UConn in at LEAST five of those losses made uncharacteristic bonehead plays late in the game with the lead or tie and possession of the ball in the last minute and the games were decided by 3 points or less, except in the 3 overtime game a couple of years ago where it was more like 8 points. Meanwhile UConn in years prior to that SHORT stretch was typically crushing the Irish as they've also done over the last three games we've played. The total scoring margin of those three years is obliterated by most of the margins of a single game since that streak ended. There is absolutely no comparison though I do concede that those losses hurt because a loss is a loss is a loss so the narrow winning margin isn't the most important thing. I really don't think that I would be overtly boisterous or pumped up by that stretch since there's nothing to say they were dominating the Huskies to any extent AT ALL! That can't be said about the massive amount of games prior to and since that group of games over that three year period. Another thing is that in the one game that mattered the most in that stretch, the final four game two years ago, the Huskies annihilated Notre Dame, after losing to them three times. I think Notre Dame and Duggins would have preferred to win that game and lost the three previous games so that is surely nothing to brag about. Notre Dame is a good program and McGraw is an outstanding coach but winning championships and continually being in Final Fours tells you where programs are. UConn is in a class of their own.

 

[Buzzyboy]

Well I do think their offense is that good that on a given night vs anyone but Uconn, they should come close to 90. A week ago today they scored 92 against Maryland, not bad.

This has more to do with how good our defense is. Early on saturday they were scoring at that pace for almost 10 minutes. We made adjustments by making them take tough shots and Stokes coming in holding them to one shot and done, it takes Notre Dame out of their offensive rythm.

Defense wins championships.

UConn has hung their hat on their defense for a very long time including the last two national championships but in the Stanford loss, their defense was embarrassing. I'm hopeful that their defensive performance against Notre Dame shows that they've turned a corner and are back to playing the type of suffocating defense that has been their hallmark. If so, then I'm a pretty happy camper because as so many people on this site know, their offense very often has been ignited by that very same defense.

 

[DobbsRover2]

I'm sick of those seven losses over three years remarks because the truth of it is that UConn in at LEAST five of those losses made uncharacteristic bonehead plays late in the game with the lead or tie and possession of the ball in the last minute and the games were decided by 3 points or less, except in the 3 overtime game a couple of years ago where it was more like 8 points. Meanwhile UConn in years prior to that SHORT stretch was typically crushing the Irish as they've also done over the last three games we've played. The total scoring margin of those three years is obliterated by most of the margins of a single game since that streak ended. There is absolutely no comparison though I do concede that those losses hurt because a loss is a loss is a loss so the narrow winning margin isn't the most important thing. I really don't think that I would be overtly boisterous or pumped up by that stretch since there's nothing to say they were dominating the Huskies to any extent AT ALL! That can't be said about the massive amount of games prior to and since that group of games over that three year period. Another thing is that in the one game that mattered the most in that stretch, the final four game two years ago, the Huskies annihilated Notre Dame, after losing to them three times. I think Notre Dame and Duggins would have preferred to win that game and lost the three previous games so that is surely nothing to brag about. Notre Dame is a good program and McGraw is an outstanding coach but winning championships and continually being in Final Fours tells you where programs are. UConn is in a class of their own.

Very much agree overall, but still those 7 losses would have been totally unimaginable before April 2011, and that four of them would be by 13, 9, 9, 8 shows that in more than half the cases that ND got some distance in the end. Who woulda thunk it, or Stanford 2014?

Point is, you need the intensity, focus, and attention to detail for every opponent, and especially those like ND or Baylor or Stanford that are quite capable of winning when the total package is not there for the Huskies, especially before March when a lot of development is happening. The now cringe-full preseason thread about "who can stay within 20 points of the Huskies (obviously no one, right?)" should serve as a constant reminder that fan overconfidence in the Huskies' invulnerability can lead t0 perceptions of arrogance elsewhere and make the fans of those teams to say equally ridiculous things like 8-5 (and 0-4 against the Huskies) is better than 9-0 (and 4-0 against the Vols).

Fortunately, Geno and the staff never get overconfident, and that is why the Huskies do have that 9-0 record rather than the 8-5 that certain 'chokies prefer.

 

[UcMiami]

Buzzyboy - the fact is that in the last 6 years prior to this year Uconn had lost once each to St John's and Stanford, twice to Baylor, and 7 times to ND and that is it! Go back one more year and you add a second loss to Stanford and one to Rutgers. That makes Uconn's record with ND stand out - admittedly because they were playing so often each year, but still. In fact you can go back to 2000 and in 14 years Uconn still hadn't lost 7 times to any other team.
I find it annoying as well, but it was an impressive run during a period in which Uconn was still hanging at the top of the WCBB world.