John A.: KML - Pain leads to gain

[pap49cba]

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[meyers7]

Liking her attitude this year. She wants to be "the man".

I think we have 4 players who could fill that role (at different times). KML, Hartley, Dolson and Stewart.

 

[MilfordHusky]

No "pouting" this year. Kaleena has gotten more mature and mentally tougher. Add that to her skills, and she will be a 3x AA.

It really makes me appreciate Maya. Perhaps no one was physically and mentally tougher than The Magnificent One.

 

[Olde Coach]

No "pouting" this year. Kaleena has gotten more mature and mentally tougher. Add that to her skills, and she will be a 3x AA.

It really makes me appreciate Maya. Perhaps no one was physically and mentally tougher than The Magnificent One.

Pain is always a sign that something is weak, broken, over-stressed, over-stretched, or too banged up. Pain is NEVER GOOD except that it warns an athlete that something is not right.

19 year-old athletes should not be playing with pain.

I would rather Geno and Rosie give KML at least as much rest and rebuild time as she is getting praise for playing tough.

 

[tomcat]

I'm with OldeCoach on this one. "Suck it up and take an Advil" is not always productive and may be dangerous.

 

[UConn Sal]

No "pouting" this year. Kaleena has gotten more mature and mentally tougher. Add that to her skills, and she will be a 3x AA.

It really makes me appreciate Maya. Perhaps no one was physically and mentally tougher than The Magnificent One.

DEE

 

[UConn Sal]

No "pouting" this year. Kaleena has gotten more mature and mentally tougher. Add that to her skills, and she will be a 3x AA.

It really makes me appreciate Maya. Perhaps no one was physically and mentally tougher than The Magnificent One.

Dee

 

[Icebear]

There is, also, a difference between bruises and bone bruises as with Morgan.

 

[attaboy]

You have to admire her willingness to push through adversity but you have to hope there is a voice of reason to establish the boundaries for adversity and career threatening. (From hence forward the 'RG3 lesson')

 

[UConn Sal]

There is, also, a difference between bruises and bone bruises as with Morgan.

I'm happy you were able to share your medical expertise with all of us who have not attended med school. Oh wait; I did attend, graduate, and practice Medicine.

 

[Icebear]

I'm happy you were able to share your medical expertise with all of us who have not attended med school. Oh wait; I did attend, graduate, and practice Medicine.

Is what I said true or not. You keep saying black and blue. A bone bruise is not black and blue. We have been told she has a bruised knee. If it is the patella, the knee, that is bruised with a bone bruise and not a bruise of the skin covering it then comments about black and blue have been irrelevant. True or not.

 

[UConn Sal]

Is what I said true or not. You keep saying black and blue. A bone bruise is not black and blue. We have been told she has a bruised knee. If it is the patella, the knee, that is bruised with a bone bruise and not a bruise of the skin covering it then comments about black and blue have been irrelevant. True or not.

Again you are correct but only as far as you go. A bruise (contusion) is a collection of blood outside of the blood vessels, In the superficial tissues it creates a characteristic discoloration called " a black and blue ". A bone bruise is not significantly different. The blood instead of being under the skin is trapped between the bone and it's covering called the periostium It can be extremely painful but not at all dangerous. Think someone kicked you as hard as they could on the shine two days latter it still hurts to touch it but the bone isn't broken and you can walk talk and chew gum. I hope that covers why I say either she is a whiner or she is hurt worse than we've been told!

 

[doggydaddy]

Again you are correct but only as far as you go. A bruise (contusion) is a collection of blood outside of the blood vessels, In the superficial tissues it creates a characteristic discoloration called " a black and blue ". A bone bruise is not significantly different. The blood instead of being under the skin is trapped between the bone and it's covering called the periostium It can be extremely painful but not at all dangerous. Think someone kicked you as hard as they could on the shine two days latter it still hurts to touch it but the bone isn't broken and you can walk talk and chew gum. I hope that covers why I say either she is a whiner or she is hurt worse than we've been told!

Or you finished last in your medical class.

A whiner? Or hurt worse? Those are the only two options?

Maybe you can share your expertise as a member of the UConn coaching and medical staff who are the ones deciding of she is capable of playing? Oh wait, you can't.

 

[pap49cba]

Again you are correct but only as far as you go. A bruise (contusion) is a collection of blood outside of the blood vessels, In the superficial tissues it creates a characteristic discoloration called " a black and blue ". A bone bruise is not significantly different. The blood instead of being under the skin is trapped between the bone and it's covering called the periostium It can be extremely painful but not at all dangerous. Think someone kicked you as hard as they could on the shine two days latter it still hurts to touch it but the bone isn't broken and you can walk talk and chew gum. I hope that covers why I say either she is a whiner or she is hurt worse than we've been told!

A few other "whiners" according to Dr. Kildare....

Trent Williams

Patrick Patterson

 

[Icebear]

Again you are correct but only as far as you go. A bruise (contusion) is a collection of blood outside of the blood vessels, In the superficial tissues it creates a characteristic discoloration called " a black and blue ". A bone bruise is not significantly different. The blood instead of being under the skin is trapped between the bone and it's covering called the periostium It can be extremely painful but not at all dangerous. Think someone kicked you as hard as they could on the shine two days latter it still hurts to touch it but the bone isn't broken and you can walk talk and chew gum. I hope that covers why I say either she is a whiner or she is hurt worse than we've been told!

Yes, she could be hurt worse than we know including the severity of a bone bruise. UConn is very reticent to extend much information related to players health.

And a deep bone bruise can result is a stagnant blood supply and other damage, just ask Bo Jackson. It was a hip pointer, a bone bruise, that essentially ended his career.

 

[UConn Sal]

Or you finished last in your medical class.

A whiner? Or hurt worse? Those are the only two options?

Maybe you can share your expertise as a member of the UConn coaching and medical staff who are the ones deciding of she is capable of playing? Oh wait, you can't.

Graduated with honors, you not at all. I never claimed to be part of the medical staff, but I know enough Medicine to hold the opinion I have. You on the other hand obviously need to attach me due to your lack of any medical knowledge. I don't know why she is out but nor do you!!!!!!

 

[UConn Sal]

Yes, she could be hurt worse than we know including the severity of a bone bruise. UConn is very reticent to extend much information related to players health.

And a deep bone bruise can result is a stagnant blood supply and other damage, just ask Bo Jackson. It was a hip pointer, a bone bruise, that essentially ended his career.

Hip is not knee and as far as decreased blood flow or a dangerous blood clot causing same she would have to be on bed rest and if bad enough blood thinners.

 

[Icebear]

Hip is not knee and as far as decreased blood flow or a dangerous blood clot causing same she would have to be on bed rest and if bad enough blood thinners.

My point is that we simply do not have enough information to make the statements you have ventured concerning Morgan. We know it is the knee, nothing more. We don't know if it is the patella or if there is a bone bruise within the joint itself. UConn always keeps such information close to the vest. They have professional staff evaluating her daily.

 

[UConn Sal]

My point is that we simply do not have enough information to make the statements you have ventured concerning Morgan. UConn always keeps such information close to the vest. They have professional staff evaluating her daily.

I agree!!!!

 

[msf22b]

Actually Ice, one of the problems for me with regard this board is that there is precious little hard information available to us except for the tidbits and pablum that the coaching staff occasionally favor John or the others with.
And of course the games, from which we then have to go backward and forward concocting ideas about what transpired.

Unlike the pros, the individual players keep their mouths shut.
The print guys do not seem to be motivated to do investigative work on their own and are likely discouraged from anything of that sort

So now, we get the story about Lauren which would have been so much more useful last spring (remember the brouhaha).

It would be good to have last week's travel sched. (that again), more medical knowledge, some explanation about Bria's problems, an occasional look at practices (at least through a competent reporter) and the many other tidbits that would better foster our greater understanding.

Hard information being hard to come by, we are reduced to being after the fact theorists, a state of events I find discouraging.

 

[UConn Sal]

Actually Ice, one of the problems for me with regard this board is that there is precious little hard information available to us except for the tidbits and pablum that the coaching staff occasionally favor John or the others with.
And of course the games, from which we then have to go backward and forward concocting ideas about what transpired.

Unlike the pros, the individual players keep their mouths shut.
The print guys do not seem to be motivated to do investigative work on their own and are likely discouraged from anything of that sort

So now, we get the story about Lauren which would have been so much more useful last spring (remember the brouhaha).

It would be good to have last week's travel sched. (that again), more medical knowledge, some explanation about Bria's problems, an occasional look at practices (at least through a competent reporter) and the many other tidbits that would better foster our greater understanding.

Hard information being hard to come by, we are reduced to being after the fact theorists, a state of events I find discouraging.

I agree!!!!

 

[Icebear]

Actually Ice, one of the problems for me with regard this board is that there is precious little hard information available to us except for the tidbits and pablum that the coaching staff occasionally favor John or the others with.
And of course the games, from which we then have to go backward and forward concocting ideas about what transpired.

Unlike the pros, the individual players keep their mouths shut.
The print guys do not seem to be motivated to do investigative work on their own and are likely discouraged from anything of that sort

So now, we get the story about Lauren which would have been so much more useful last spring (remember the brouhaha).

It would be good to have last week's travel sched. (that again), more medical knowledge, some explanation about Bria's problems, an occasional look at practices (at least through a competent reporter) and the many other tidbits that would better foster our greater understanding.

Hard information being hard to come by, we are reduced to being after the fact theorists, a state of events I find discouraging.

Exactly, I agree with everything you say above.

 

[Scotter]

Actually Ice, one of the problems for me with regard this board is that there is precious little hard information available to us except for the tidbits and pablum that the coaching staff occasionally favor John or the others with.
And of course the games, from which we then have to go backward and forward concocting ideas about what transpired.

Unlike the pros, the individual players keep their mouths shut.
The print guys do not seem to be motivated to do investigative work on their own and are likely discouraged from anything of that sort

So now, we get the story about Lauren which would have been so much more useful last spring (remember the brouhaha).

It would be good to have last week's travel sched. (that again), more medical knowledge, some explanation about Bria's problems, an occasional look at practices (at least through a competent reporter) and the many other tidbits that would better foster our greater understanding.

Hard information being hard to come by, we are reduced to being after the fact theorists, a state of events I find discouraging.

You do realize there are reasons for this, which are mostly tied to the fact they are COLLEGE athletes. Carl, Jim, and Rich are about as competent and dedicated to covering the team as you can get as beat writers. John's knowledge base is more limited so his approach is slightly different, but he's also dedicated to serving his audience. That's evident in what they produce, but I've also been in press rooms with them and seen them working. And what the UConn staff can release about their injuries is limited for their protection. I've heard Doug Bruno flat out refer to the laws governing the release of medical information when refusing to comment on injuries. Like you said in your post, they are NOT the pros.

Limited information doesn't force you to write an essay about jet lag somehow the team 5-7 points several days later. Does it? Just because only 5 dots are visible to you, it doesn't me you are reduced to connecting them.

If anyone wants to learn more about what is actually happening on the court there are resources available. And there is plenty of room for discussion and opposing view points, while still having respect for the players, coaches, and other posters by maintaining a healthy respect for the unknown that you describe. More often than not we don't know what a player's health is, what is going on in their personal life, what play a coach intended to be run, or even what a coach is actually upset about when yelling at a player (That is something the announcers calling the game almost always get wrong by the way if you pay attention to press conferences after games where coaches have to correct the media and explain what they were actually upset about). I realize humans naturally want to construct a narrative out of the visible dots, but we are also capable of having the discipline to resist that and respect the unknown.

 

[Biff]

I realize humans naturally want to construct a narrative out of the visible dots, but we are also capable of having the discipline to resist that and respect the unknown.

I like the way you phrased that with "capable" being the key word.

 

[trisailin]

Actually Ice, one of the problems for me with regard this board is that there is precious little hard information available to us except for the tidbits and pablum that the coaching staff occasionally favor John or the others with.
And of course the games, from which we then have to go backward and forward concocting ideas about what transpired.

Unlike the pros, the individual players keep their mouths shut.
The print guys do not seem to be motivated to do investigative work on their own and are likely discouraged from anything of that sort

So now, we get the story about Lauren which would have been so much more useful last spring (remember the brouhaha).

It would be good to have last week's travel sched. (that again), more medical knowledge, some explanation about Bria's problems, an occasional look at practices (at least through a competent reporter) and the many other tidbits that would better foster our greater understanding.

Hard information being hard to come by, we are reduced to being after the fact theorists, a state of events I find discouraging.

I COMPLETELY disagree. These athletes are NOT our personal entertainment centers. They owe us NOTHING. They don't "report" to us nor should they. Further, since none of us can actually DO anything (productive) with the information, there really isn't any need for it. If the information doesn't change your decisions, then it was simply wasted effort gathering and disseminating with respect to you (the information might be useful to somebody else in their decisions though but that does not give you the "right" to that information)