Joe Williams

[sportsart]

Keep the in the cesspool. Totally OT and lame.

A student is suspended for one event and a teacher has 5 or 6 events and might get suspended is related.

It's called perspective.

 

[Nostical]

Sorry but there's no way he can stay on the team if he did this as described. The fact that he thought he would get away with it and mailed it to his house is troubling enough. These kids are given a tremendous opportunity and the privilege of playing Div 1 Football. He forfeited it. Whatever it was he bought with the stolen money must have been more important to him than playing for UConn. Love to know what it was.

 

[whaler11]

Sorry but there's no way he can stay on the team if he did this as described. The fact that he thought he would get away with it and mailed it to his house is troubling enough. These kids are given a tremendous opportunity and the privilege of playing Div 1 Football. He forfeited it. Whatever it was he bought with the stolen money must have been more important to him than playing for UConn. Love to know what it was.

Nostical generally I enjoy your posts but this post and this thread are off the rails.

College kids do all sorts of idiotic stuff. We don't even have all the details to even understand the issue - but if the charges are for taking $60 and spending $120 on a credit card the biggest crime here is the stupidity to ship something to an address.

If they were to throw Williams off the team... I can't even imagine how anyone could reconcile that against the 'suspension' that McCombs experienced. One quarter for McCombs and a death penalty for Williams.

How could anyone take the coaching staff seriously after that?

 

[noeynox]

While I won't pass judgment on whether he should be dismissed or not, it does make you wonder how 140 dollar item could be worth jeopardizing your 40k, year scholarship. It just defies logic. And yes I did something very stupid at 14, that cost my mom,a,lot of money.

 

[whaler11]

While I won't pass judgment on whether he should be dismissed or not, it does make you wonder how 140 dollar item could be worth jeopardizing your 40k, year scholarship. It just defies logic. And yes I did something very stupid at 14, that cost my mom,a,lot of money.

And I bet she didn't kick you out of the family...

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Nostical generally I enjoy your posts but this post and this thread are off the rails.

College kids do all sorts of idiotic stuff. We don't even have all the details to even understand the issue - but if the charges are for taking $60 and spending $120 on a credit card the biggest crime here is the stupidity to ship something to an address.

If they were to throw Williams off the team... I can't even imagine how anyone could reconcile that against the 'suspension' that McCombs experienced. One quarter for McCombs and a death penalty for Williams.

How could anyone take the coaching staff seriously after that?

Pretty much agree with this. The charges sounded a lot worse before some of the details come out. This coming from a guy who thought it was a disgrace that McCombs boarded the bus for Piscataway. If he found a wallet, took the cash, and spent $120 on the credit card......come on now. I just can't get over the stupidity in having the item shipped to his home address.

 

[noeynox]

And I bet she didn't kick you out of the family...

The only thing that would make it different was if he stole from a teammate. That really would change the dynamic but who am to judge.

 

[whaler11]

The only thing that would make it different was if he stole from a teammate. That really would change the dynamic but who am to judge.

If it turns out to be a Ruben Rivera situation that's obviously different. Of course the only place that speculation exists is here.

 

[huskymedic]

I can't find anywhere (other than on here) that says "he found a wallet" - did I miss it?

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I can't find anywhere (other than on here) that says "he found a wallet" - did I miss it?

Leave us alone. We're busy speculating.

 

[huskymedic]

Leave us alone. We're busy speculating.

Oh... He found a teammate's wallet. Got it.

 

[whaler11]

I can't find anywhere (other than on here) that says "he found a wallet" - did I miss it?

Of course not. It doesn't exist. Tomorrow morning there will be a post speculating that UConn can't be invited to the Big 10 because of the negative
publicity.

 

[metsfan2323]

I agree Jim...Metsfan 2323 care to explain your stupid comment? Has to be the most idiotic comment I have ever seen n this board! I can't wait to see this explanation!

It was actually meant to defend the kid by reminding that even adults do dumb things. It was in reference to the last theft discussion that took place on this board just a few weeks ago and involved a fireman father of a player who was arrested on campus for theft, I guess you missed it. I apologize that it bothered you so much, it was an off the cuff mistake.

 

[FDNY99]

It was actually meant to defend the kid by reminding that even adults do dumb things. It was in reference to the last theft discussion that took place on this board just a few weeks ago and involved a fireman father of a player who was arrested on campus for theft, I guess you missed it. I apologize that it bothered you so much, it was an off the cuff mistake.

First off my post was backing up what Jimdish255 and Jarhead_1775 called you on...so don't just appologize to me. I saw the thread you are talking about...I chose to not participate in it. Why...every man has his day in court. He has been suspended without pay by the city of New London. Outside of being a firefighter, police officer or ranking (head or assistant) government finance official tell me one other job that conduct like that outside the work place gets you suspended from your lively hood without pay? Sometimes people make bad decisions in life...and there are consequences for those decisions. Gov't officials seem to be held to a higher standard especially when you are a firefighter, police officer, teacher. So you realize if you are in one of those professions that you need to keep it above the line integrity wise. I just find it funny how people bring those professions into discussions like this or into someones personal off duty conduct yet slough off what a guy like Bernie Madoff does and not describe every broker, hedge fund or money manager with the same broad brush.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

Without having read any of the facts, and assuming it wasn't a teammate's wallet, my guess is that he'll burn his Accelerated Rehabilitation in Rockville (and probably see a few UConn classmates in court that day) and miss 1-2 games. This is probably one of those "what the hell were you thinking?" type of things that many college kids do, inexplicably.

Remember, Andre Dixon bumped heads with the law a couple of times but scored the winning TD against Notre Dame and had six times as many rushing yards as C.J. Spiller against South Carolina. Unless this is a part of a pattern, it isn't a career-ender, but his margin for error just narrowed significantly.

Agreed. Besides cannot afford to lose depth at the running back position.

 

[uconndogs]

If that was a teammate's wallet I doubt this would be in the press and I would imagine Mr. Williams would be one battered pup and probably off the team.

 

[BlueMAB]

First off my post was backing up what Jimdish255 and Jarhead_1775 called you on...so don't just appologize to me. I saw the thread you are talking about...I chose to not participate in it. Why...every man has his day in court. He has been suspended without pay by the city of New London. Outside of being a firefighter, police officer or ranking (head or assistant) government finance official tell me one other job that conduct like that outside the work place gets you suspended from your lively hood without pay? Sometimes people make bad decisions in life...and there are consequences for those decisions. Gov't officials seem to be held to a higher standard especially when you are a firefighter, police officer, teacher. So you realize if you are in one of those professions that you need to keep it above the line integrity wise. I just find it funny how people bring those professions into discussions like this or into someones personal off duty conduct yet slough off what a guy like Bernie Madoff does and not describe every broker, hedge fund or money manager with the same broad brush.

I'm not excusing the comment, just offering a different perspective.

The firefighter has a union, apparently his union contract allows him to be suspended for this behavior. If he doesn't like that, he doesn't have to be a firefighter.

Also, fair or not, public employees are held to a higher standard because the public is paying their salaries. If we don't like the behavior of employees at a company, we can spend our money at their competition. We don't have that choice when it comes to public employees. If we don't like the board of ed/school system in the town we live in we can send our kids to private/parochial schools, but we're still paying for those teachers/administrators, etc.

 

[freescooter]

To me this is being handled exactly as it should be. He is out for a while. it isn't a horrific crime, but it also isn't taking a candy bar without paying either. And a lot depends on where he got the wallet. If it turns out that he lifted it from a teammate, I'm not sure how he ever comes back. Something bothers me, too about using the credit card. Not sure why, but to me that puts it into a different dimension. You can make a case, if only to yourself, that ultimately he planned to return the cash. Not so much with a credit card...

 

[BlueMAB]

More information is needed, and I agree it's being handled correctly so far, but I think he should get at least a one game suspension based on his poor decision.

(And McCombs should have gotten 3 games, IMO).

 

[Carl Spackler]

The kid was arrested for a crime, is facing legal action resulting from it, and has been suspended indefinitely pending further review.

That's good enough for me.

 

[d1reality]

once stole a cheeseburger from 7-11 while i was inebriated ... if i was on the football team i would have been suspended ... but because i had no talent i could maintain my anonymity ...

Yes, but alumni like us weren't funding your education.

 

[junglehusky]

I just find it funny how people bring those professions into discussions like this or into someones personal off duty conduct yet slough off what a guy like Bernie Madoff does and not describe every broker, hedge fund or money manager with the same broad brush.

You know what FDNY - when people get into positions of power and/or prestige, it's amazing how people in the media will buy into and even build up the mythology of that person's image. This happens for CEOs but also for public servants, at least ones with outsize personalities, in both parties. The media do it for Obama and Romney, Bill Gates and Donald Trump, and they do it for the fraudsters like Madoff, Ken Lay, Jeff Skillings, Angelo Mozillo, John Thain etc during the boom times... and then pretend they weren't part of the myth building when the bubble bursts. It's like those CEOs and celebrity politicians are the new royalty. If a regular person shoplifts, they have to go to court, maybe lose their job. If the new royals knowingly sell worthless derivatives, they get a golden parachute and maaaaaybe a slap on the wrist.

better stop the rant here.

 

[FDNY99]

I'm not excusing the comment, just offering a different perspective.

The firefighter has a union, apparently his union contract allows him to be suspended for this behavior. If he doesn't like that, he doesn't have to be a firefighter.

Also, fair or not, public employees are held to a higher standard because the public is paying their salaries. If we don't like the behavior of employees at a company, we can spend our money at their competition. We don't have that choice when it comes to public employees. If we don't like the board of ed/school system in the town we live in we can send our kids to private/parochial schools, but we're still paying for those teachers/administrators, etc.

I get what you are saying I have been in the fire service since 1991. When you have a contract you know what the consequences are if you violate it...in the FDNY we have a zero tolerance policy against substance abuse...we are radomly tested (sample sealed in two jars..and if we test positive the 2nd sample is tested..if that is positive you are terminated if you don't resign)..it is in our contract and not negotiated..rule is there you know what the consequences are if you violate the rule. However he meant his comment it just didn't come across that way when he posted it. This is my last reply on this subject in this thread, it has gone WAY off topic. Back to the OP...sorry for causing the detour!

 

[metsfan2323]

If the new royals knowingly sell worthless derivatives, they get a golden parachute and maaaaaybe a slap on the wrist.

For what its worth (nothing), I would love to see the crooks at Goldman, AIG, Bank of America, Countrywide etc, etc put in jail and the key thrown away, but do you seriously not think that these people/companies/groups and the politicians they own in both parties don't get slammed on internet message boards? They get crucified daily and they deserve it.

BTW I also think all shoplifters should get arrested, I don't care what profession they are in, so at least I am consistent.

 

[junglehusky]

For what its worth (nothing), I would love to see the crooks at Goldman, AIG, Bank of America, Countrywide etc, etc put in jail and the key thrown away, but do you seriously not think that these people/companies/groups don't get slammed on internet message boards? They get crucified daily and they deserve it.

I didn't say anything about messageboards, I was talking about media (the dreaded MSM which includes the dreaded NY Times, Washington Post, CNN/NBC but also Fox and CNBC and right-leaning papers) sucking up to the crooks and cheerleading the bubble during boom times. When the housing bubble burst, there were a few hearing where the crooks tried to pass the buck or no-comment their way out, and many of the CNBC cheerleaders were right there defending them.

BTW I also think all shoplifters should get arrested, I don't care what profession they are in, so at least I am consistent.

Agreed. Same rules should apply no matter what station you are in. This is what the founding fathers had in mind, they wouldn't be thrilled with congress being run by banks.[/quote][/quote]