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Kansas spends about the same amount overall as UConn.. they just spend $25-30M on football and $20M on basketball; while UConn spends $25M on basketball and about $20M on football.


It becomes a chicken or egg scenario. Can't spend more on football because you're not in a Power Conference... get rejected from Power Conferences because "UConn doesn't care about/doesn't take seriously football".
It's just a bad read of the data. We spend at the top of the "G5"

Just take basketball off the grid and it looks a lot better. It's a dumb metric to use as a negative. Anyone doing so is pushing an agenda or can't read
 
Just take basketball off the grid and it looks a lot better. It's a dumb metric to use as a negative. Anyone doing so is pushing an agenda or can't read
It's not necessarily an agenda, but a reinforcement (confirmation bias) of an impression left by UConn's actions and success/failure. UConn is doing something non-standard. Football has struggled over the last dozen years... UConn left an all sports conference and made it's football program and independent to align with a stronger basketball conference. The lack of success plus the conference move gives rise to a perception that UConn isn't serious about football (the argument: "if you were you'd invest more and the program would be successful" or "you wouldn't take your program out of the top (then) G5 conference to select a basketball league"). It gets reinforced when conference alignment is being driven by potential broadcast revenue and 80% of the value is driven by football.

The data showing that UConn is the only FBS school spending more on basketball than football simply reinforces that UConn isn't serious in the minds of the people who've already formed the opinion (the argument: "If UConn directed some of that money to football, then they might actually have been successful" and "No one thinks Kansas isn't a top basketball program and they spend less than UConn on hoops while making a bigger investment on football").


I don't think any UConn fan can objectively say that the move to the Big East has been anything but a success.... but it's unusual and hard for many schools (as well as the media) who are conditioned to the majority of the athletic revenue being driven by the broadcast rights for football to see a school who actively forwent that arrangement, for one where the majority of athletic department revenues are basketball dependent.
 
I believe the basketball capital of the world was in response to being passed over by a conference that many believe to be the best basketball conference. UConn spends a good amount on Men’s and Womens and guessing most spend on Men’s?
 
UConn spends a good amount on Men’s and Womens and guessing most spend on Men’s?
It does... in fact UConn spends about the same amount on recruiting for Women's Basketball as it does for Football
 
It's not necessarily an agenda, but a reinforcement (confirmation bias) of an impression left by UConn's actions and success/failure. UConn is doing something non-standard. Football has struggled over the last dozen years... UConn left an all sports conference and made it's football program and independent to align with a stronger basketball conference. The lack of success plus the conference move gives rise to a perception that UConn isn't serious about football (the argument: "if you were you'd invest more and the program would be successful" or "you wouldn't take your program out of the top (then) G5 conference to select a basketball league"). It gets reinforced when conference alignment is being driven by potential broadcast revenue and 80% of the value is driven by football.

The data showing that UConn is the only FBS school spending more on basketball than football simply reinforces that UConn isn't serious in the minds of the people who've already formed the opinion (the argument: "If UConn directed some of that money to football, then they might actually have been successful" and "No one thinks Kansas isn't a top basketball program and they spend less than UConn on hoops while making a bigger investment on football").


I don't think any UConn fan can objectively say that the move to the Big East has been anything but a success.... but it's unusual and hard for many schools (as well as the media) who are conditioned to the majority of the athletic revenue being driven by the broadcast rights for football to see a school who actively forwent that arrangement, for one where the majority of athletic department revenues are basketball dependent.
I mean sure. But a lot of it is bad faith arguing or straight up stupidity by talking heads and the people who promote the narrative. These people don't know what they're talking about but are given (or give themselves) the authority to act as an expert.

You can't reason with dumb people or bad faith actors
 
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Narratives like this chart doesn’t help the football cause…

That tweet was accompanied by this story:

UCONN BANKS ON BASKETBALL’S VALUE IN FOOTBALL-DRIVEN NCAA

UConn is the only school to have won both Division I basketball titles in the same season—which it accomplished in 2004 and 2014—and it continues to serve as a prime example of the kind of value premier basketball programs can have, even in this transformative era when college football is dictating so much across the athletics landscape, from TV contracts to conference realignment.

“I would say its biggest value for our university is the overall brand recognition,” UConn athletic director Dave Benedict said in an interview. “Obviously basketball schools don’t necessarily benefit as significantly from a financial standpoint [as big-time football programs] but certainly from a brand recognition standpoint.”

But UConn instead chose to prioritize basketball, getting out of the football-focused AAC to return to the league where it an original member.

“I would like someone to tell me now that it wasn’t the right decision,” Benedict said. “It was. It doesn’t mean it’s perfect for every program on our campus, but ultimately it was about the opportunity to reposition our men’s basketball program in a way to make sure we’re nationally relevant.”

 
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Narratives like this chart doesn’t help the football cause…

Why do we need to spend more on football? Will there be any rewards for it? We have 17 NCs in basketball since 1995, plus more in field hockey and soccer. Do you want to take away from them? It sure looks like we spend what a lot of others do, just not all.
 
Our historic problem with football, referring to the last 10 years is it’s been mismanaged. Bad coaching hire after bad coaching hire. Jim Mora has a high uphill battle and is the first decent coaching hire for football in a while.
 
It's just a bad read of the data. We spend at the top of the "G5"

Just take basketball off the grid and it looks a lot better. It's a dumb metric to use as a negative. Anyone doing so is pushing an agenda or can't read

KU is also spending about $250M on a stadium at the moment.

We’re also losing $14M on football.
 
KU is also spending about $250M on a stadium at the moment.

We’re also losing $14M on football.
I'm not saying that football is doing great. I'm just saying that some of the arguments people use to come to that conclusion are really stupid.
 
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I'm not saying that football is doing great. I'm just saying that some of the arguments people use to come to that conclusion are really stupid.
It will be used against us right or wrong. But I would agree if that Kevin Ollie money is in this figure then it's a kind of BS figure.

People will use unfair weapons against you until they can't.
 
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It's not necessarily an agenda, but a reinforcement (confirmation bias) of an impression left by UConn's actions and success/failure. UConn is doing something non-standard. Football has struggled over the last dozen years... UConn left an all sports conference and made it's football program and independent to align with a stronger basketball conference. The lack of success plus the conference move gives rise to a perception that UConn isn't serious about football (the argument: "if you were you'd invest more and the program would be successful" or "you wouldn't take your program out of the top (then) G5 conference to select a basketball league"). It gets reinforced when conference alignment is being driven by potential broadcast revenue and 80% of the value is driven by football.

The data showing that UConn is the only FBS school spending more on basketball than football simply reinforces that UConn isn't serious in the minds of the people who've already formed the opinion (the argument: "If UConn directed some of that money to football, then they might actually have been successful" and "No one thinks Kansas isn't a top basketball program and they spend less than UConn on hoops while making a bigger investment on football").


I don't think any UConn fan can objectively say that the move to the Big East has been anything but a success.... but it's unusual and hard for many schools (as well as the media) who are conditioned to the majority of the athletic revenue being driven by the broadcast rights for football to see a school who actively forwent that arrangement, for one where the majority of athletic department revenues are basketball dependent.
It was also a better media deal for UConn. ESPN wanted UConn to push ESPN+. It wasn’t simply to get into a better bb conference.
 
I think the label of a "basketball school" only hinders you if you're trying to be an elite football program. I don't think it makes an impact on a program trying to be at least decent enough to have a shot at a bowl game most years.
No attack but you missed the fact that every team you mentioned are in a conference and have a right to a bowl game. UConn does not.
As the only independent left other than Notre Dame.... Uconn would most likely have to win a majority of their games to see a bowl. Then that would be just like the last one..... over matched.
 
It was also a better media deal for UConn. ESPN wanted UConn to push ESPN+. It wasn’t simply to get into a better bb conference.
I seem to remember UConn getting screwed by the new AAC agreement. It was a bold move to leave. Guess one could say they would’ve moved with Cincinnati but who knows?
 
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I seem to remember UConn getting screwed by the new AAC agreement. It was a bold move to leave. Guess one could say they would’ve moved with Cincinnati but who knows?
The objections were that the AAC agreement included the Tier 3 rights, which would've put Women's basketball rights in the hands of ESPN rather than allowing UConn to license them out to SNY as had been done. The expectation was that most women's games would end up on ESPN+. The Big East TV contract also granted ownership to the league/Fox over the Tier 3 rights (meaning regardless of conference UConn lost direct control of those rights), but while ESPN would've held onto the rights; Fox was more amenable to sublicensing the content for local redistribution (i.e. SNY). Ultimately much of the uproar about the TV deal was the ESPN+ component to the point where it was cited as a part of the reason for the move to the Big East.
 
Maybe, emphasis on maybe, not getting the Big 12 invite took the wind out of his sails

I have nothing, no evidence, just answering a vague question with a vague response :)

Let's win more, I think we will, I think he suffered a little from the sophomore jinx last year
I think Jim Mora as UConn’s coach is the happiest he’s been in a while. He and his new coaching staff are realizing that the portal is the best thing ever to have happened to UConn football. He can do now what he did in the NFL and at UCLA.
 
I think Jim Mora as UConn’s coach is the happiest he’s been in a while. He and his new coaching staff are realizing that the portal is the best thing ever to have happened to UConn football. He can do now what he did in the NFL and at UCLA.
I think you are correct. The potential for upgrading via portal for us is greater than the 4* HS recruit route. The assumption is that we are going to be better at finding the athlete we need for our systems than the people we recruit against. Not all about resources, glitz and glamor, rather finding the kid who wants a chance and has "ENOUGH" talent to succeed with GOOD COACHING in the right situation. Using hoops analogies again, but Tristan Newton in FB. Would you have predicted First Team All America, Cousy award winner? We just need to find those kids who will upgrade our talent, and can succeed in the systems we use.
 
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