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Jim Mora Expected to be Named HC

CL82 said:
So what are you basing your assertion that the move from FBS to FCS is a cost saving upon? Because it kind of reads like you’re saying, everyone else is wrong, every other university experience is irrelevant, I just believe this to be true and I don’t care what other facts anyone else puts out there.
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The evidence in front of our noses. There is no giant rushing sound of FCS schools going FBS. What, Pudge said 30 over 29 years? One per year? Southern mostly?
 
RSTuthill said:
The evidence in front of our noses. There is no giant rushing sound of FCS schools going FBS. What, Pudge said 30 over 29 years? One per year? Southern mostly?
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Have you read the thread? Read the thread.
 
CL82 said:
Have you read the thread? Read the thread.
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So I have posted a number of rebuttals and somehow you think I have not read the thread? Have I mis-characterized a post? Not sure I see your point.
 
RSTuthill said:
So I have posted a number of rebuttals and somehow you think I have not read the thread? Have I mis-characterized a post? Not sure I see your point.
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Actually you haven’t. You’ve ignored the information that other people have posted and you just keep making the same statement over and over again. Do you understand that?
 
CL82 said:
I mean we could take a look at the rosters, but my sense is if you took the kids who were here when Pasqualoni he left and have them play a game against the kids who are here now, putting competent coaches on each side line, I think they’re Pasqualoni kids win, and win fairly easily.

We are really epically terrible right now. I don’t know how much of that has to do with the quality of the players versus playing virtually all underclassmen in the two deep, but we are really bad.
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Defensively I agree. Offensively, I think the receivers are much better, our running backs are much better, the Oline is about the same and I think TP and SK are much better than who was left at QB when P left. I think the team at the end of P's run would win handedly just because those defenses were pretty damn good, but I think the offense we have now (as shown by Mazzone's play calling) could give them a run for their money.
 
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CL82 said:
Actually you haven’t. You’ve ignored the information that other people have posted and you just keep making the same statement over and over again. Do you understand that?
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Actually, I think it is you that may have missed a post. Until you brought it up again, my last post at 1449 yesterday did not mention FCS schools not going wholesale over to FBS. That post was about the value of FBS FB to UConn if it was going to continue to lose like the past eight years for another five -- which was the premise whole discussion to begin with. And also the point that even now we still do not know definitively whether of not UConn and the State of CT has made a significantly larger financial commitment to the Huskies football program. That information will come when the staff is hired and the salaries become public. There has been a lot of happy talk. But, as the saying goes, money talks, BS walks. We will know soon.
 
RSTuthill said:
But, as the saying goes, money talks, BS walks. We will know soon.
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So, are you saying you were going to get to walking? Because you haven’t posted a single substantive thing in this thread.
 
RSTuthill said:
The evidence in front of our noses. There is no giant rushing sound of FCS schools going FBS. What, Pudge said 30 over 29 years? One per year? Southern mostly?
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It takes a big investment to make the jump from FCS to FBS. There is more money to be made in FBS, but schools need the resources to be able to do it. They can't just snap their fingers and decide to be an FBS school.
 
LBird33 said:
I thought our old coach thought portal guys have issues???? LoL
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The issue with transfers in any sport is that they all had issues at their last stop. That isn't really a problem for us because of how bad we are.

Transfers come with reduced eligibility and can upset the locker room. This is why the old school types were very selective.

That way of thinking is over now that the portal has made what was a back alley cloak and dagger scene into a national open marketplace. Teams and players no longer have to sneak around testing their fit for each other while keeping their current team in the dark.

Now, anyone not projected to play or looking for better situation just adds their name and the market takes care of the rest. The portal is crucial to programs mid level and below. Yeah maybe your thrid string and being recruited over at UGA but you can compete and likely start for us...
 
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ShakyTheMohel said:
I would hate it if I had a top 10 program.
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I wonder about this. I guess you’d hate it because it reduces your ability to stockpile talent. But then again, it also gives you buffet-like access to proven talent from lesser schools
 
Greedo said:
It takes a big investment to make the jump from FCS to FBS. There is more money to be made in FBS, but schools need the resources to be able to do it. They can't just snap their fingers and decide to be an FBS school.
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Example: Sam Houston State, or even Tarleton State which first moved from D-II to FCS with ongoing FBS aspirations. Both growing due to massive Republic of Texas population growth. The latter, particularly a big-time beneficiary of A&M system resources despite being in the crap hole that is Stephenville.
 
I think we are past the FCS or FBS debater ... except for one or two curmudgeons.

Dave Benedict swung for the fences and he WON the perception game and the Presser. You still are not guaranteed a winning team/record/sell-outs than we were one week ago. But I love the pick. The question being tossed around - why would you want a high profile sports program at your State U. I think this is kinda a 30-40 year case study; and UCONN is the Case 1A. We swung for the fences - Calhoun, Auriemma etc plus Football - and we are a prime example of all the good things that can happen. And we are rare for our region.

I don't give a frig whether the ACC didn't like Jim Calhoun and our hoop team/championships. In our rearview mirror? Was Calhoun any more of a opportunistic cheat than ... Dean Smith, Denny Crum, John Wooden? Heck no. Broke rules or skirted the line. Often. Tried for kids from complex background and pushed them to conform - like JC himself. He didn't create a whole department of fraudulent academics to pass kids year to year.

Our Football Program can go back to sell-outs.

We were in a hole because we ante' up for the Big East top rung ...and we didn't get pulled along. We have a chance for a re-set with Mora. Want to know our fate over the next 3 years? Watch very closely the next 6 weeks.
 
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Pudge said:
were in a hole because we ante' up for the Big East top rung ...and we didn't get pulled along. We have a chance for a re-set with Mora. Want to know our fate over the next 3 years? Watch very closely the next 6 weeks.
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Hmmm. Good post Pudge. Recruiting, Coaching hires, transfers. what else for the next 6 weeks?
 
Dude has seemed super friendly and gentile but this shows he's got some fire in his belly:

 
RSTuthill said:
Not sure I want to continue the debate with someone who so glibly and deliberately mis-characterizes the statements of others, but I will give it one more try. Let me attempt this again stated as simply as possible.

If, UConn is still having 1-11, 2-10, or 3-9 seasons five years from now, it will face huge pressure to step back to FCS. And deservedly so.
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1 - I think it is clear that you did want to continue.

2 - Shouldn't we wait until our new hire has had the opportunity to actually fail prior to planning on what to do after five years of failure?

I am confident that we won't have five more years of football at this level if after three seasons under Mora we have a) continued at our current level of ineptitude and b) have seen nothing to expect any more in the upcoming seasons. If what you are proposing is our fate, we should build a statue for RE to commemorate the miraculous accomplishment of his first run here as obviously you believe winning here is not a possibility.
 
Greedo said:
It takes a big investment to make the jump from FCS to FBS. There is more money to be made in FBS, but schools need the resources to be able to do it. They can't just snap their fingers and decide to be an FBS school.
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Ah, but there are a plenty of FCS schools that do have the cash if they think they can get a good return on it by going to FBS. But somehow the business case does not seem to hold water unless there is a huge valuation placed on the publicity, much of which will be negative if they don't invest far more than intended to get competitive. Even if wealthy alums foot the bill for the initial investment.
 
CL82 said:
So, are you saying you were going to get to walking? Because you haven’t posted a single substantive thing in this thread.
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Not sure you would know if I had or not if it hit you in the face. You have not spoken to the issue. So the question I have for you: will you want UConn to continue with FBS FB in five years if the record remains where it is today? Yes or No? It is a simple question and the one we are debating.
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
1 - I think it is clear that you did want to continue.

2 - Shouldn't we wait until our new hire has had the opportunity to actually fail prior to planning on what to do after five years of failure?

I am confident that we won't have five more years of football at this level if after three seasons under Mora we have a) continued at our current level of ineptitude and b) have seen nothing to expect any more in the upcoming seasons. If what you are proposing is our fate, we should build a statue for RE to commemorate the miraculous accomplishment of his first run here as obviously you believe winning here is not a possibility.
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The original post that I made questioned the wisdom of UConn remaining in FBS if they were not going to make a bigger commitment to the program than they were currently making. That got misconstrued to mean that UConn should step back to FCS immediately. Perhaps, but only if they were unwilling to increase their commitment.

So far, at a million five, it is not clear that they have increased their commitment. I am well aware that there are reasons that the HC salary is artificially low given the clawback provisions in many coaching severance packages. But lets see what the staff compensation looks like before we get all wildly enthusiastic that UConn has upped their game bigtime. That is not clear yet.
 
RSTuthill said:
Not sure you would know if I had or not if it hit you in the face. You have not spoken to the issue. So the question I have for you: will you want UConn to continue with FBS FB in five years if the record remains where it is today? Yes or No? It is a simple question and the one we are debating.
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it would depend on the facts and circumstances. But that’s not what we’re talking about. What we’re talking about is you pretending there’s some extrinsic evidence that supports your position. Whatever it is, you haven’t produced it yet.
 
RSTuthill said:
The original post that I made questioned the wisdom of UConn remaining in FBS if they were not going to make a bigger commitment to the program than they were currently making. That got misconstrued to mean that UConn should step back to FCS immediately. Perhaps, but only if they were unwilling to increase their commitment.

So far, at a million five, it is not clear that they have increased their commitment. I am well aware that there are reasons that the HC salary is artificially low given the clawback provisions in many coaching severance packages. But lets see what the staff compensation looks like before we get all wildly enthusiastic that UConn has upped their game bigtime. That is not clear yet.
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For openers, it is abundantly clear that despite your claim in the post I originally quoted, you do want to debate this. You're digging in and unfortunately (figuratively, not literally) you are going to die on this hill.

If I am reading your post correctly, somehow, if we were paying Mora an additional $750k-$1.0mm annually (and logically, taking that from the assistant pool) he would be a better coach.

Your entire argument is based on the notion that it is exceptionally unlikely that the next five years will be any different than the last five seasons were. I don't see how anyone can be so convinced that there is that small of a possibility that this guy can do better than who we had 2016 and who we had from 2017-2019 plus however you want to describe 2020 forward.

Please support your argument. Yes, you are correct in your belief that if we end up winning only 7-8 games in total during the next five football seasons we then should pack it in at this level. What needs support however is why you believe we will continue to be as inept once we are a few years into Mora's run as HC as we have been. Why do you believe this is the likely outcome?
 
RSTuthill said:
Ah, but there are a plenty of FCS schools that do have the cash if they think they can get a good return on it by going to FBS. But somehow the business case does not seem to hold water unless there is a huge valuation placed on the publicity, much of which will be negative if they don't invest far more than intended to get competitive. Even if wealthy alums foot the bill for the initial investment.
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This is utter BS. What's your agenda.

AAU Stony Brook regularly beat Coastal Carolina & Liberty in the 2010-2012 seasons (they were in the same conference) and you can find an article and posts regretting not stepping up to FBS. Stony Brook has one of the better hospital systems in greater NYC - going all the way out to Southhampton; a 30,000 strong enrollment; a solid academic program across multiple schools. Solid Enrollment; solid endowment; less than vibrant school spirit. Find more students wearing Syracuse sweatshirts or Notre Dame. Why not them?

Here's what their President said (paraphrase - not exact quote) in 1995 - "This is important for us to reach to be a high profile sports playing University, It is not something we will gain from in the short term; it is a 30 year project and we will benefit hugely."

You know who went in that direction - beginning in the late 1980s - our University of Connecticut.

There are TWO AAU public universities NOT in the P5 - both SUNY: Buffalo + Stony Brook. This right here totally pushes back this nonsense you have been spouting for a month.
 
Mora is doing a great marketing job already. All these interviews are nice exposure. He's already been to a women's basketball game and introduced himself to everyone. Tonight he was at the men's game and did the same. They showed a video of him handing out hot chocolate to students in front of the arena. Dude seems all in on shifting public opinion of UConn football.
 
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