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[UC990411]

@blauds: Big East com Aresco working on plan which keeps Catholic schools and UConn and maybe Cin in 1div, newcomers in other. http://post original url/ocOG4ubr.

 

[ElGuapo]

 

[Fishy]

I don't like using the word appealing when referring to anything Big East-related, but that's the most appealing set up. I never, ever want to see UCF, Tulane, SMU or whoever in basketball. Never, ever, ever, never.

Of course, then you end up with the good schools murdering each other and the s*** schools playing pattycake with each other.

But, even so, the fewer reminders we have that UCF not only exists, but considers themselves associated with us, the better.

 

[uconNYC]

Don't see how this would work. C7 + UConn and Cincy = 9 teams. That would mean the other division would only have 7 teams - Temple, Memphis, USF, UCF, SMU, UH, Tulane.

Can't imagine Temple and Memphis will be happy (especially Temple as they will be in a division weaker than the A10). USF also has plenty to gripe about as they are basically leaving the Big East for CUSA in terms of basketball.

No way UConn and Cincy will agree to be part of the CUSA division if Aresco needs to balance the divisions.

Then there is the whole issue of a lack of crossover games for the CUSA schools.

 

[timdawg]

What would the two divisions be called? Legends & Losers? Champions & Chumps?

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Every year - Basketball: Cinci, Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's, Providence, Marquette, Seton Hall, Depaul
Half the teams every year - Football: Cinci, South Florida, Temple, Navy, East Carolina, Central Florida

I can live with the hoops set up as long as instead of the 1 'name' ooc game they schedule, they bump it to two. I.E. a Texas, Tennessee, Arkansas, Washington, etc.

Warde needs to get his god damn act together for future football OOC schedules. We absolutely have to have 1 'name' BCS opponent coming to The Rent every year.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Also would be an easy setup if the 7 + 2 left the conference...

 

[Pudge]

Don't see how this would work. C7 + UConn and Cincy = 9 teams. That would mean the other division would only have 7 teams - Temple, Memphis, USF, UCF, SMU, UH, Tulane.

Can't imagine Temple and Memphis will be happy (especially Temple as they will be in a division weaker than the A10). USF also has plenty to gripe about as they are basically leaving the Big East for CUSA in terms of basketball.

No way UConn and Cincy will agree to be part of the CUSA division if Aresco needs to balance the divisions.

Then there is the whole issue of a lack of crossover games for the CUSA schools.

Imagination?

What if you grabbed a bunch of valuable basketball assets (schools) to balance this. Again: we still can pay far more than most all these other conferences. ( take Temple for us too)

 

[tzznandrew]

I don't like using the word appealing when referring to anything Big East-related, but that's the most appealing set up. I never, ever want to see UCF, Tulane, SMU or whoever in basketball. Never, ever, ever, never.

Of course, then you end up with the good schools murdering each other and the s*** schools playing pattycake with each other.

But, even so, the fewer reminders we have that UCF not only exists, but considers themselves associated with us, the better.

UConn, Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's, PC, Marquette, SH, DePaul. Play Home-Home with them.

Get four games from the other division. Keep UConn - Cincy as the "rivalry" crossover.

Honestly, while not as good, a the other division leading with Cincy-Temple-Memphis wouldn't be terrible. Regardless. Keep us away from them, other than Cincy. As far away as possible.

 

[Fishy]

Can't imagine Temple and Memphis will be happy (especially Temple as they will be in a division weaker than the A10). USF also has plenty to gripe about as they are basically leaving the Big East for CUSA in terms of basketball.

No way UConn and Cincy will agree to be part of the CUSA division if Aresco needs to balance the divisions.

The needs of Memphis and Temple falls below 'what's for lunch' on the Big East's list of concerns. The remaining Big East schools will formally vote to have them 'suck a bag of dicks' if they voice any complaints.

If we truly are going to an 'old Big East' vs 'new garbage schools', Cincy is gonna get some bad news.

 

[tzznandrew]

Imagination?

What if you grabbed a bunch of valuable basketball assets (schools) to balance this. Again: we still can pay far more than most all these other conferences. ( take Temple for us too)

You add SDSU all-sports. Add Gonzaga. Add UNLV. Stick Creighton or Nevada or some team there. It still sucks, but at least you have two not terrible basketball divisions:

"Old School"

1. UConn
2. DePaul
3. Georgetown
4. Marquette
5. PC
6. Seton Hall
7. St. John's
8. Villanova
9. Cincy
10. USF

"New School"

1. Gonzaga
2. Houston
3. UCF
4. UNLV
5. SDSU
6. Memphis
7. SMU
8. Temple
9. Tulane
10. ????

Am I missing a team? Probably. (Edit: Missed Memphis)

That more or less "Western" division, with Temple, SDSU, Gonzaga, UNLV and Memphis (and mystery team X--maybe we just always rotate in a new team here. Look to be an exciting mid-major? You're in for a year!) is better than the A10 and any other crappy conference out there.

Regardless, keep these schools more or less separate. Round robins within division, 2-4 games out of division. Take 12 to MSG and have at it (can't wait to see how well UCF v. Tulane draws...).

 

[uconNYC]

This is the problem the Big East Conference has had for the last 2 decades. No Conference Commissioner can act in the best interest of one side or the other - thus they always go down the middle path which is a tasting cocktail.

Big East football schools should have broken off in 2004. They should have added UCF and three others (Temple, Memphis, ECU would have been the favorites back then) so the conference would have a championship game and each team a 8 game home schedule. The 4 additions would have had time to build-up their program (like Cincy and UConn have done) and develop rivalries. Yes - SU, Pitt, WVU, etc. would have still left, but at least there would have been some sort of continuity with the remaining schools.

From a basketball perspective maybe UCF and ECU would have gotten stronger (like WVU and PITT did in the last decade), maybe Calipari would have stayed at Memphis, maybe Temple attracts a top notch coach when Chaney retired. But it's all too little too late now.

 

[Fishy]

Breaking off in 2004 would have done nothing to change our current circumstances and would have altered almost a decade of terrific basketball.

 

[tzznandrew]

Breaking off in 2004 would have done nothing to change our current circumstances and would have altered almost a decade of terrific basketball.

The NBE was, by far, the best basketball conference for those years. And it may have been the best basketball conference ever assembled. It's a shame that, as usual when it comes to the BE, post-1980s, we're the only one's who carried the banner to a title. But a number of schools went to the FF, and others had very strong tourney showings.

 

[UConnDan97]

If I had to devise a plan that worked out an "Old BE" and "New BE" with the 16 teams right now, keeping with the sentiment of the thread, I would quickly acquire two A-10 teams (putting the kabash on their acquisition ideas, if there actually are any) and would add them to the "new" division:

Old BE: UConn, Cincy, GTown, St. John's, Nova, Providence, Seton Hall, Marquette, De Paul.
New BE: SMU, Houston, Temple, Memphis, UCF, USF, Tulane, Xavier, Butler (or St. Joe's)

You can play each team in your division twice plus two crossovers (18 game schedule), or you can have less games in your division and more crossovers, depending on what people want. Xavier would be a no-brainer acquisition and crossover for Cincy. Butler would be the slightly better acquisition than St. Joe's, but with St. Joe's you have three fifths of the Philadelphia Big 5 battle (it would ease Temple's concerns in the new division and both Temple and St. Joe's would be crossovers for Nova).

Our division would obviously be tougher, but that's fine, because it wouldn't be as tough as what we are used to. Regional rivalries are preserved. Travel is eased. Good overall basketball strength. Addition of at least one Catholic bball member (possibly two) appeases the Catholic-7. Done. Now let's finish the tv contract and try to make the best of this thing...

 

[uconNYC]

Breaking off in 2004 would have done nothing to change our current circumstances and would have altered almost a decade of terrific basketball.

The decade of terrific basketball was largely the result of the football schools - UConn, SU, Pitt, UL, WVU, Cincy. Calipari's Memphis and Temple would have more than made up for the loss of Georgetown and Nova. Plus with only 12 teams we would have had more mirror games against the above mentioned football schools.

 

[businesslawyer]

Breaking off in 2004 would have done nothing to change our current circumstances and would have altered almost a decade of terrific basketball.

Dead on. Someday, maybe I can understand how some people's solutions to today's sandwich is wishing we ate it a decade ago.

 

[tzznandrew]

The decade of terrific basketball was largely the result of the football schools - UConn, SU, Pitt, UL, WVU, Cincy. Calipari's Memphis and Temple would have more than made up for the loss of Georgetown and Nova. Plus with only 12 teams we would have had more mirror games against the above mentioned football schools.

Villanova and Georgetown went to Final Fours. Marquette has been very good. Cincy is far below those three in their time in the BE. Debatably, so has Pitt and Syracuse, both of which have followed up many great regular seasons with only one E8 each. West Virginia was good, not great over that time. Really, UConn and Louisville carried the football school's jock.