January General CBB Discussion Thread (Non-BE)
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I gotta admit... Perhaps I'm a sadist, I don't know. But I've become fascinated with BBN and Pope and their whole thing. They were ready to dox him, and some were talking of petitioning the University to fire him. Then they won a couple of games, and they shifted. Now, they got blasted, and they're back to stage one again. It's just fascinating to watch it all transpire from all angles.
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Eric had 4 rebounds in that game. He scored well, yes.
And "winning" obviously is over simplifying it. Should we go down all of their strengths? I don't feel like it.
The metrics tell the same story imo. They've tanked when their schedule tanked. They play up and down to their competition. Silas, Solo, AK, Braylon and Taris will almost certainly has just as much shot at the NBA as Tristen, Hawkins, Andre and Adama.
We also have more than 1 stud. Taris averages 15,8 and 2. Silas is a top 10 player in the country by some metrics, AK might end up being BE POTY, Braylon is the stud I'm assuming you were referring to. And thats with me leaving out Solo. Because if he finds his stroke...
Again, even that statement is such an overreaction. Our "one stud" is insane to me. This team didn't get to 20-1 by luck. Ad they were 10-1 before beginning this undefeated "rough stretch".
There are obviously issues and red flags to be ironed out. But it is not as dire as you and many others want it to be.
Missed free throw cost them the game.
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So what? Who cares? Take you pick,
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They nailed like 9 of 10 FTs in last couple minutes. They lost the game when their center was setting a screen a hip checked the defender into another zip code. Gave up possession and the tying points on a really stupid, unnecessary foul.
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We disagree on the NBA talent - I don't think Solo has any chance to play in the NBA, I don't think Silas is an NBA profile, at all. I'm iffy on Tarris. Small guards aren't much of a thing in the NBA these days. I'd lean towards no on Tarris. What position does he even play in today's NBA?
23 and 24 had two lottery picks on them, amongst others, and Alex. Our one lottery pick is one because he's a shooter. I mean look at this team to date, they're mainly winning by out-executing. There is nothing of a physical advantage about them, speed, size, athletecism. The 23 team ran by opponents. 24 mauled teams. This team isn't winning because they crush on the glass or run transition. They don't even shoot it all that well, I think we are less than 150th in the country in shooting the 3. It's death by a 1000 paper cuts. How far that goes is hard to know. This year is Hurley's year to dispell the the Clingan factor. His 13 minutes in 23 yielded lot's of +NET and we obviously know what he did in 24. Kid really was a cheat code.
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Despite all the bitching and moaning on here, ESPN's Jeff Borzello and Myron Medcalf still have UConn in their top tier of national championship contenders, with Arizona and Michigan. I guess they missed the Mullins injury.
UConn's efficiency numbers aren't quite up to par with the other two teams in this tier, but the Huskies have found a way to win close games throughout Big East play, and they're already battle-tested from a brutal nonconference schedule. Dan Hurley's crew took some time to get fully healthy, but now that they are, he has a team much more in line with his two title-winning groups of 2023 and 2024. There's depth, size, point guard play and plenty of shotmakers on the perimeter with the likes of Alex Karaban, Solo Ball, Braylon Mullins and Silas Demary Jr. -- Borzello
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UConn's efficiency numbers aren't quite up to par with the other two teams in this tier, but the Huskies have found a way to win close games throughout Big East play, and they're already battle-tested from a brutal nonconference schedule. Dan Hurley's crew took some time to get fully healthy, but now that they are, he has a team much more in line with his two title-winning groups of 2023 and 2024. There's depth, size, point guard play and plenty of shotmakers on the perimeter with the likes of Alex Karaban, Solo Ball, Braylon Mullins and Silas Demary Jr. -- Borzello
Men's college basketball tiers: Ranking 47 teams from contenders to Cinderellas
Three national title favorites, nine Final Four threats and 35 more teams that can win NCAA tournament games.
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Between the record and the staff, you totally have to give the Huskies the benefit of the doubt. Surprised that Duke didn't get into the first tier.Despite all the bitching and moaning on here, ESPN's Jeff Borzello and Myron Medcalf still have UConn in their top tier of national championship contenders, with Arizona and Michigan. I guess they missed the Mullins injury.
UConn's efficiency numbers aren't quite up to par with the other two teams in this tier, but the Huskies have found a way to win close games throughout Big East play, and they're already battle-tested from a brutal nonconference schedule. Dan Hurley's crew took some time to get fully healthy, but now that they are, he has a team much more in line with his two title-winning groups of 2023 and 2024. There's depth, size, point guard play and plenty of shotmakers on the perimeter with the likes of Alex Karaban, Solo Ball, Braylon Mullins and Silas Demary Jr. -- Borzello
Men's college basketball tiers: Ranking 47 teams from contenders to Cinderellas
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I forgot about Clingan. I was thinking more of the starting 5. Taris is bigger than Adama, and Silas has every bit a shot as Tristen did/does. At that point were talking Braylon Hawkins. 23/24 has the edge.
I still think you are underestimating the talent on the team. 20-1 is 20-1. 17 game win streak is not easy to do. The shooting should be better. Solo is tanking that. Silas shoots 43%, AK shoots 42% and Braylon is at 38%. 3 of our 5 are 40% 3 point shooters. We don't shoot enough ig them because of our pace. Our size is fine. I don't know where this idea is coming from that we don't have size. But I guess well see. Just don't try to sell me on anyone being significantly better than a 20-1 team with our OOC schedule. I don't even know what that would look like.
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It is hard to argue the record, or the OOC schedule. Both are phenomenal. I simply think this team is closer to last year in makeup, than the prior two teams. Realistically, the major difference is at PG - which is meaningful. Mullins has come in over McNeeley, which is a bit of a wash. The team personality feels similar. No alphas, no Cam Spencer's. We lack BBIQ in many areas.
Early in the year, this team had a ton of continuity. We can't forget about that when considering this team.
Where I'd love to see this squad go - keep using the bench more. I was somewhat discouraged when we started trimming that off. Start highlighting Silas/Mullins. We'll see - I am on the side of them being able to peak when it matters, but have reservations.
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Clingan was just an eraser and intimidator. All these Providence guys that went to the rim the other day, you think that happens with Clingan? And we have a good center tandem with nothing to complain about but Castle and Clingan were defensive stalwarts.
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I present this with no further comment, Your Honor.
Your post from after our first game:
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When you close off the paint, it changes the entire dynamic of the game. The game I remember most when seeing that first was at Marquette 2023. He came in and that Marquette team was doing about faces and we went on a 10-0 run. Even in 2023 in minimal minutes, he changed the game.
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When you post as much as he does, with strong opinions all the time, he's going to hit on some and miss on a lot. I still think he should talk to his wife and kids a little more and tone down the posting. Or maybe he posts so much because his wife and kids don't want to talk to him. 😀
They need you talking about them more....once AZ loses a game or two, I'm sure you will shift over to Duke
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That is funny. Maybe I should go back and delete some of my worst takes, but then I don't have all day to spend on it. Think this would surely be in my top 10, right up there with "is Caron really that good".
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This is exactly what I was reading in an article the other day and @navery12 and I discussed it briefly somewhere on here.
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It's worth noting that you technically can't compare these numbers across seasons. These are offensive efficiency ratings relative to the average team that season. In general I think it's still a good comparison and I've compared them across seasons, because the baseline average team can be assumed to be roughly the same.
It's interesting to see where this jump occurs and seems to align with the emergence of the transfer portal. It raises the flag in my mind to ask are offenses getting better or is the average team just getting worse with the talent being accumulated at P5 schools?
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This is a great example of why you can’t trust google’s AI overview for even simple, fact-based information. If ESPN is publishing an article with blatantly incorrect numbers, then how could AI possibly sift what’s true vs. what’s false vs. what’s hypothetical discussion? For now, it just doesn’t.
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Hopefully this keeps him quiet for a bit.
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I believe what this technically means is that the teams at the top are that much better than the overall mean. Further proof that the top of the pack is separating itself further and further from the middle, per portal/NIL factor.
the last FT miss by Francis when they were up three with seconds left would have put them up four. MSU made a three with the clock winding down to to tie it and send it to OT. The missed free throw cost them the game.
I believe this image is raw efficiency (aka average points per 100 possessions), which is not adjusted for competition or to the median since it is a straight D1 average, so you can compare this across the seasons.
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Don't forget this season is the first season of the new And 1 rule with the continuation being counted 1 step after the whistle blows for the foul. I have seen the continuation allowed after 2 steps by the shooter after the whistle blows.
This can explain some of the increase in the offensive efficiency.
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