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January General CBB Discussion Thread (Non-BE)

KingAG said:
Since you want to defend idiocy. No one questioned AZ legitimacy. I questioned if the rest of the country was overrated or not. I suspected someone other than a 60% UConn team would be their toughest test to date. No where was AZ questioned. He read that into it because his first instinct is to defend anything he thinks is antithetical to UConn.

This was not a UConn VS Arizona debate. It was more so is BYU historically a 2 loss level team? Are all of these 1 loss teams on the historic level of previous 1 loss teams? Or are records being inflated because there are a lot of teams who just aren’t good? That was the point.
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I'm not sure as this is suppose to be one of the more talented years in college basketball in awhile.

The closest year to the top record wise recently was the 2021 season (which was the last really exciting year in college hoops before this year).

They're actually talking about college hoops on sportcenter again as a top of the board topic.

2 undefeated teams and 4 teams with 1 loss at this point of the season is insane.
 
KingAG said:
I’m officially concerned.

A team other than a 60% UConn should have given them a better game by now.

Yes, that’s a referendum on the rest of the country.

The amount of 1 loss teams at this juncture is unprecedented. I do no believe all of these teams are 1 or 2 loss good. UConn may fall in that category as well. Nebraska isn’t undefeated good either. Records are possibly being inflated do to the amount of teams who are bad in the P5. This was not a UConn puff point or a AZ knock. Are you following?
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Got it. Much more interesting way of positioning your point. This has been a point of discussion as it comes to the portal era. When mid majors and low majors becomes a minor league system for high major, the gap between the two widens. CBB Darwinism.

It's not like the old days, when you recruited out of HS and were generally "stuck" with that kid. HS recruiting is much more unpredictable and kids develop at different levels. So under-recruited kids will pop later on and be valuable for 4 years. Now, they get picked up. So what we are seeing isn't all that surprising.
 
RuffRuff said:
It's not like the old days, when you recruited out of HS and were generally "stuck" with that kid. HS recruiting is much more unpredictable and kids develop at different levels. So under-recruited kids will pop later on and be valuable for 4 years. Now, they get picked up. So what we are seeing isn't all that surprising.
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This is a weird way to position this stuff.

I don't think schools like UNC, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky were “stuck” with their highly recruited top 5 classes. There's very few players that Calhoun was “stuck” with developing.

Coaches just took a lot of pride in identifying talent and taking on the challenge of getting the most out of the talent they went out of their way to recruit to their school because they saw something in them.
 
2008 was known as a great year in college basketball, right?

At this point in the year there were 2 undefeated teams, 2 one loss teams, and everyone else in the top 10 had 2 losses.

This is what happens when the top teams are actually talented.
 
HW611 said:
This is a weird way to position this stuff.

I don't think schools like UNC, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky were “stuck” with their highly recruited top 5 classes. There's very few players that Calhoun was “stuck” with developing.

Coaches just took a lot of pride in identifying talent and taking on the challenge of getting the most out of the talent they went out of their way to recruit to their school because they saw something in them.
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Stuck is the wrong word. Married might be better. The benefit doesn't pertain to the top programs, it's to the non traditionally top programs that could find some decent diamonds in the rough and hold onto them. Now, a Seton Hall would lose that kid to a top program in the portal. The best kids will all gravitate to the top, separating the top tier from the rest.
 
HW611 said:
I'm not sure as this is suppose to be one of the more talented years in college basketball in awhile.

The closest year to the top record wise recently was the 2021 season (which was the last really exciting year in college hoops before this year).

They're actually talking about college hoops on sportcenter again as a top of the board topic.

2 undefeated teams and 4 teams with 1 loss at this point of the season is insane.
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Most of the top players are freshmen. '24 UConn would whoop up on this UConn team and all these other teams same with Nova, hell the team they had sandwiched in between their two national championships is basically the Knicks...Brunson, Hart, Bridges, Divincenzo and they lost second round to Wisconsin. Duke last season was also better than these teams.
 
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RuffRuff said:
You could argue last year had better top teams than this year. There isn't a team in the country this year that could beat UF, Auburn, Houston or Duke. This years top pool is deeper, and a notch below.
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I've never been a believer in any of those teams. All the talent was just on Duke and they had no guards.

That's not the case this year where there's legitimately talented teams with balanced rosters.

Can you imagine Johni Broome vs Koa Peat or Cam Boozer?

Michigan would run that Auburn team. Also think Houston is better this year than last year.

The top is legitimately talented instead of just being old.
 
RuffRuff said:
AZ is stout - second in the country in rebounding. Were you at that game? It was pretty apparent up close.
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Not arguing Zona isn’t a good rebounding team just responding to your point about their size. Zona’s top 8 outweigh our top 8 by a combined 25 lbs and that’s the difference between Ivan and Mullins. I’d take Mullins all day in that matchup.
 
HW611 said:
Circling back here because where has this guy been hiding.

But he reminds me of Taylor Griffin. Lmao
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Zach Cleveland is legit, as is Liberty. Coincidentally, his brother, Noah, is a first-year forward at Illinois Wesleyan (Jack Sikma’s alma mater) and is one of the best players in D3. I could see him moving up to D1 next year.
 
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Umami Zen said:
Ok RR. Rough week for Wolverines. Home to #5 Nebraska tonite and away at #7 Mich St on Friday. What's your prediction ?

Didn't ask about UConn vs Prov/Creighton. We know they look good for both of them.
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Split
 
superjohn said:
If this was UConn RuffRuff would be saying there's something missing with this team, they just don't know how to close out games and this was with 2 of BYU's 3 stars playing horribly
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You think I’d say that with a win against a top ten type team in a true road game as the number one team in the country? When they were in control the entire game?

With Tarris, we've been outrebounded by bad rebounding teams like Seton Hall, PC and Georgetown. These aren't teams with size.

We are squeezing by teams that are below 500. The defensiveness is getting tiring. Put me on ignore.
 
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RuffRuff said:
They're a different team at this point - I'd throw that game out the window at this juncture. I think it means absolutely nothing. Player for player on a neutral court today:

Bradley or Silas
Burries or Solo
Ivan K or Mullins
Peat or AK
Krivas or Tarris

AZ is a lot bigger.
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Did they get bigger since we played them?
 
I was really pulling for BYU vs Arizona last night. Too bad that A.J. Dybantsa continues to sleep through first halves. Too little, too late.
 
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superjohn said:
Most of the top players are freshmen. '24 UConn would whoop up on this UConn team and all these other teams same with Nova, hell the team they had sandwiched in between their two national championships is basically the Knicks...Brunson, Hart, Bridges, Divincenzo and they lost second round to Wisconsin. Duke last season was also better than these teams.
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Dont disagree with that. But you're also talking about some of the two greatest teams ever.

I don't agree that Duke was better. They were supremely talented but extremely flawed which kept them from getting it done. Which allowed Auburn to make last year one of the worst years in college hoops that nobody will want to remember.
 
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