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Message: [QUOTE="Engineer90, post: 3074585, member: 9712"] Sure, you can point to extremes but what about the more subtle criticisms? I have seen people get jumped on for some tame stuff. For example, let's talk about the ECU win. Turns out that the winning margin is exactly what the Sagarin power ratings would have predicted. That prediction is based on power ratings which are a reflection of the entire season to date, including all of the games Adams missed. The team didn't suddenly play way better with Adams. It was pretty similar to what we have seen all year, with and without him. Am I saying we play better without him? No. I am saying we were about the same. We appeared to be playing a little worse without him but not by much. So I guess I am saying that we are not much better with him. Does THAT make me a hater? You will probably say no, now, but that is because you want to be right on this debate. If I said it immediately after the ECU game, I would have gotten roasted for it. I will throw another thing out there. Just before the start of the season we started to get some reports on how players were doing with the new trainer. Some of those reports were not glowing. Jalen was one guy who did not show up in better condition than he was at the end of last season. Does it make one a hater to question his off-season dedication to improving his body? [/QUOTE]