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Or they all start hearing the war drums beating a little bit louder from another direction?
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Or they all start hearing the war drums beating a little bit louder from another direction?
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Saying purv has 'good athleticism' is a bit off base. he has world class athleticism, thats the difference between him and Walker/Napier as prospects. We really need to see how far his skill set has come to make a judgement, but i wouldn't be surprised if he struck while the iron was hot after a year.
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After watching the Draft last week unless the player is getting assured of being a lead pipe cinch lottery pick I would be real careful if I was a college kid.
The foreign factor pushes kids not only down lower in the draft but out of the draft completely.
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That, and Shabazz and Kemba are far more complete players (Sr/Jr respectively vs Sph Purv).
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This particular draft was deeper than any in recent memory though. You'd expect next year's to be pretty lean.
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Allegedly world-class athleticism or no, Purvis was quite mediocre in his one season of D1 college ball. I think he'll be a fair bit better next season, but let's not sit here and pretend that Purvis is a season away from being a lock for the lottery.
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what do you mean mediocre? I have to disagree he was playing pretty well in a system where he was a spot up shooter and young. he had one serious flaw in FT shooting, but then again he didn't really shoot that many. theres nothing alleged about his athleticism its world class and that stuff gets you notice. he plays ABOVE the rim. best ath to don a uconn jersey since rudy
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We must have a very different definition of "quite mediocre".
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On the other hand, you had a very raw James Young go #16 in a very deep draft.
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Cheezus we have short memories. "Purvis is more talented than Bazz and Kemba." What? Taller and more athletic, yes. But Kemba and Bazz are in the league because of their talent. Tell me what weaknesses Bazz and Kemba had in their last seasons at UConn. Outside shooting? Passing? Free throws? Creating their own shot? Finishing near the rim? Rebounding? Leadership? Running the offense? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no. Those two have complete games. Purvis has some question marks and until we see them improve, there's little reason to think he's one and done at UConn. The NBA draft is not short on 6'2"/6'3" guards with great athleticism.
I also don't think we should be overselling the value of a redshirt year. This isn't football, and Purvis isn't a 7 footer who has only been playing for 2 years. Spending a year working on skills is spending a year not playing in real games. You can play in real games, and still work on your skills. Everything you do in a redshirt year you can do in a regular year, except you actually still get to play games.
I also don't think we should be overselling the value of a redshirt year. This isn't football, and Purvis isn't a 7 footer who has only been playing for 2 years. Spending a year working on skills is spending a year not playing in real games. You can play in real games, and still work on your skills. Everything you do in a redshirt year you can do in a regular year, except you actually still get to play games.
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Totally agree with the first part. There's a difference between athletic ability and talent that I believe was totally ignored in the previous post.
As far as the second part, I think you're probably reading into the point that has been made a little incorrectly. I didn't see anyone saying that he's better off having spent a year practicing than practicing and playing games. To me, it was people saying that he's going to be much better than the player we last saw suit up for NC State because he has another year of practice under his belt. Those are two pretty different points.
In his case a redshirt year should help. Last year worked for us and I believe would be a big help to Rodney. He is good, how good is the ? Don't forget he does have 3 years eligibility left and may need a few of those years to be the player he wants to be.
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And Miller will fix that flaw.
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Not that I disagree with your assessment of Purvis (he does stuff as a two guard that you just never see), but calling him the best athlete since Rudy is a big statement when we've had guys like Stanley and Drummond play here.
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It depends what traits people associate with talent. I don't think anybody is arguing that Purvis is a better player right now than Shabazz or Kemba, just that he might be a better long-term prospect because of his size and athleticism. What you describe as "talent" - passing, shooting, etc. - I think of more as skill than talent, but I suppose it's an argument of semantics. I look at the leap Dion Waiters made his sophomore season at Syracuse and think Purvis could have a similar year. Or, the tendencies that hampered him at N.C. State - streaky perimeter shooting, out-of-control play, etc. - could continue to exist. We'll see.
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And we won championships in each era!
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Rudy, sure, but everyone knows that Stanley wasn't a Big East caliber athlete.
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Ollie called Purvis the most talented player during practices last year and guess who he was practicing with? Shabazz. His issues at nc state (streaky shooting, being out of control, FT, shooting) are all problems we have been known for fixing and he's had over a year to do it. Just because you don't play a year of basketball don't mean you don't get better over that year. Purvis will play like a Junior this year because he is one essentially. Same way AJ Price didn't play like a freshman his sophomore season even though he never played freshman year.
Now when I say talent I'm not talking about skills. Skills are shooting, passing, dribbling, etc. Guys like Stanley Robinson, Rudy Gay, Andre Drummond were tremendously talented guys. But had no skills. In the sense of talent Rodney is more talented than any PGs we've had in the past. He's not lacking on many skills either. I've said before that we have watched Ollie develop 3 PGs who used to be out of control bad decision makers into heady guys who seem to always make the right play. Purvis is the most talented out the bunch and I'm sure he will do the same with him and we are going to see something even better.
Now when I say talent I'm not talking about skills. Skills are shooting, passing, dribbling, etc. Guys like Stanley Robinson, Rudy Gay, Andre Drummond were tremendously talented guys. But had no skills. In the sense of talent Rodney is more talented than any PGs we've had in the past. He's not lacking on many skills either. I've said before that we have watched Ollie develop 3 PGs who used to be out of control bad decision makers into heady guys who seem to always make the right play. Purvis is the most talented out the bunch and I'm sure he will do the same with him and we are going to see something even better.
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Let me start by saying that I sincerely hope you are right. I pray to God that you are right. But I have to agree that I don't know what you saw at NCSU that made you think this. I watched him alot that year because I was mad we didn't him out of high school. And I have to say, I remember coming away from that season feeling ok we'd missed. I am excited about him and hope it's the Rodney Purvis KO speaks so highly of. But if it's the one who played at NCSU I don't think any of us will be all to thrilled.
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[QUOTE="HuskyWarrior611, post: 1003667 the sense of talent Rodney is more talented than any PGs we've had in the past. He's not lacking on many skills either. I've said before that we have watched Ollie develop 3 PGs who used to be out of control bad decision makers into heady guys who seem to always make the right play. Purvis is the most talented out the bunch and I'm sure he will do the same with him and we are going to see something even better.[/QUOTE]
After ajou Deng was called the best player in the floor in practice a few years ago, that particular argument is a tough sell here.
After ajou Deng was called the best player in the floor in practice a few years ago, that particular argument is a tough sell here.
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Honestly if you think we're going to see the same Rodney that we saw at NCSU you must not have faith in Ollie's ability to develop guards and must not understand how players develop in college from their freshman to junior seasons. For comparisons sake let's compare Rodney's freshman numbers in a system that didn't fit him that had a great lead guard compared to Shabazz freshman numbers where he was maximized as much as he could be playing with Kemba.
Shabazz:
7.8 ppg
2.4 rpg
3 apg
1.6 stlpg
37% FG
33% 3FG
Rodney:
8.3 ppg
2.4 rpg
1.3 apg
.8 stlpg
44% FG
38% 3FG
Like I said I have no doubt we see a different rodney purvis this year than the one we saw at NCSU.
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True.
But more times than not kids are on the outside looking in.
A good percentage of the US kids would be better served coming back for one more year. To be totally ready to give it their best shot.
That being said I realize the players have different situations (family, money issues etc.). KEA for example I always felt wasn't going to improve his draft status by staying for his senior year and he had a young family to support.
They should be allowed to go after their dream to play in the NBA. Just numbers wise it's difficult to start with in a 2 round draft with so many players already making guaranteed money on the rosters to make a roster let alone when their are a bunch of foreign kids that can be "stashed" overseas until the team and player are ready.
I realize playing overseas is a great option for a lot of the players so there is money to be made even if they don't make the NBA -
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After ajou Deng was called the best player in the floor in practice a few years ago, that particular argument is a tough sell here.[/QUOTE]
I completely understand that. But there is also the fact that we never saw guys like Deng and Majok play before where as we have plenty of film on Purvis.
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You're right completely whiffed on drummond. stix too.
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KO looking for him to come right in and lead? 2015 is going to be a special year. Can't lie my expectations just went up a little, and they were already up there
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