It's the Rutgers lesson

[Pudge]

More pointedly ... Greg Schiano.

Get beat by Villanova on your "guarantee" game; heck, let's not play a FCS that can compete. No Delaware. James Madison. Richmond. Go down lower to Norfolk State or Howard. Maybe at SU, you play Stony Brook or Wagner.

See ... We can look down our nose all we want. The CAA top teams are competitive. As we've seen: the top level FCS (Eastern Washington, North Dakota State) can play. Beyond Alabama, Texas ... There are a lot of schools that should be able to rise. You just have to be Schiano clever in the first game. Make sure the win.

 

[uconndogs]

Ya know Pudge, I understand what you are saying. Towson is a good football team and probably can play at the lower half of the BCS fairly consistently. West, their RB, is terrific and I have to believe he gets a look by the NFL. But, UCONN's performance was simply awful. It wasn't really competitive and none of the deficiencies from last season appear to have been addressed. And on defense we may end up being at the bottom half of college football this season.

It's my strong sense the P and GDL view themselves as NFL technicians. They're smarter than everyone else and with sophisticated schemes can win games even with the "lack of talent". I long for the days when our OLmen got on LBs and wore folks down over the course of a game. We are just so far removed from that now.......

 

[whaler11]

When they scheduled Towson they did stink. Ambrose was still at UConn.

 

[noeynox]

that, yeah good FCS schools can beat FBS teams. They just don't have to beat us. This is on P's shoulders and hopefully its the final nail in his coffin. We shouldn't be afraid of any of FCS school we just can't perform like that.

 

[Pudge]

You missed my point.

I'm not crying over Thursdays loss. I've already concluded my appraisal of Pasqualoni & DeLeone. It's quite a contrast to push around Notre Dame in South Bend ... And watch that Offensive Line today. You'll not draw me into further bitching. I think we ought to be moving on. I do respect Manual for not sacking them in December; we all know now that was the wrong choice.

My view is that we don't have to go through these long agonizing stretch of years. The right coach should win quickly.

And beat Towson.

 

[noeynox]

Didn't miss the point. I'd prefer not to take the sciano approach.

 

[IMind]

Didn't miss the point. I'd prefer not to take the sciano approach.

There's absolutely zero upside in scheduling the CAA or anyone in the Top 25 in the FCS. I understand what you're saying, but it's just not worth the risk. Better teams than our team this year have lost to FCS schools and hurt their bowl bids.

 

[rich1122]

More pointedly ... Greg Schiano.

Get beat by Villanova on your "guarantee" game; heck, let's not play a FCS that can compete. No Delaware. James Madison. Richmond. Go down lower to Norfolk State or Howard. Maybe at SU, you play Stony Brook or Wagner.

See ... We can look down our nose all we want. The CAA top teams are competitive. As we've seen: the top level FCS (Eastern Washington, North Dakota State) can play. Beyond Alabama, Texas ... There are a lot of schools that should be able to rise. You just have to be Schiano clever in the first game. Make sure the win.

I would rather take a loss like this to a competitive team. Hopefully it will result in a wake up call the next two games. If everybody thought that we were this bad the MI line would be 20+ even though it's a home game. It's about 12.

 

[buggsy]

More pointedly ... Greg Schiano.

Get beat by Villanova on your "guarantee" game; heck, let's not play a FCS that can compete. No Delaware. James Madison. Richmond. Go down lower to Norfolk State or Howard. Maybe at SU, you play Stony Brook or Wagner.

See ... We can look down our nose all we want. The CAA top teams are competitive. As we've seen: the top level FCS (Eastern Washington, North Dakota State) can play. Beyond Alabama, Texas ... There are a lot of schools that should be able to rise. You just have to be Schiano clever in the first game. Make sure the win.

Rutgers lost to Villanova in '02, then played them again three years later in '05 and beat them 38-6.

Stop making excuses.

 

[ZooCougar]

Rutgers lost to Villanova in '02, then played them again three years later in '05 and beat them 38-6.

Stop making excuses.

Pitt lost to Youngstown State last season, and they still blow.

 

[ZooCougar]

More pointedly ... Greg Schiano.

Get beat by Villanova on your "guarantee" game; heck, let's not play a FCS that can compete. No Delaware. James Madison. Richmond. Go down lower to Norfolk State or Howard. Maybe at SU, you play Stony Brook or Wagner.

See ... We can look down our nose all we want. The CAA top teams are competitive. As we've seen: the top level FCS (Eastern Washington, North Dakota State) can play. Beyond Alabama, Texas ... There are a lot of schools that should be able to rise. You just have to be Schiano clever in the first game. Make sure the win.

I just hope that Warde didn't wait too long. Sacking Pasqualoni last season would have come with some awkwardness. But the benefits would have outweighed that IMO.

Warde needs to own this season. He can't blame it on Pasqualoni, only a complete idiot would expect him to give us a winning season.

 

[upstater]

I just hope that Warde didn't wait too long. Sacking Pasqualoni last season would have come with some awkwardness. But the benefits would have outweighed that IMO.

Warde needs to own this season. He can't blame it on Pasqualoni, only a complete idiot would expect him to give us a winning season.

UConn is simply not the type a school that can afford to fire a coach after 2 years, even under extenuating circumstances. I continue to think that the job will be very attractive for an excellent young coach who can turn PP's 3-9 season this year around into a 7-5 season next year.

That's good for the resume.

But if a young coach thinks this is the kind of place that will can him after 2 years of poor results, especially with someone else's recruits, then he's not going to take the risk.

 

[whaler11]

UConn is simply not the type a school that can afford to fire a coach after 2 years, even under extenuating circumstances. I continue to think that the job will be very attractive for an excellent young coach who can turn PP's 3-9 season this year around into a 7-5 season next year.

That's good for the resume.

But if a young coach thinks this is the kind of place that will can him after 2 years of poor results, especially with someone else's recruits, then he's not going to take the risk.

This is the thought process that gets you someone like PP and a 10-15 stretch.

 

[upstater]

This is the thought process that gets you someone like PP and a 10-15 stretch.

I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not.

Yes, firing a coach after 2 years means the better coaches stay away from your school and you end up going 4-8 for two straight years, until you fire the next one and then rinse and repeat. Pretty soon you are the Buffalo Bills of the NCAA.

Here's what you do: hire the best possible coach you can, then give them 3 years to right the ship.

 

[ZooCougar]

UConn is simply not the type a school that can afford to fire a coach after 2 years, even under extenuating circumstances. I continue to think that the job will be very attractive for an excellent young coach who can turn PP's 3-9 season this year around into a 7-5 season next year.

That's good for the resume.

But if a young coach thinks this is the kind of place that will can him after 2 years of poor results, especially with someone else's recruits, then he's not going to take the risk.

We're also the type of school at can't afford three losing seasons in a row, when we need to be seen as doing everything we can to build the program.

Deciding between the lesser of two bad choices is why we have leadership. Leaders set conditions, Warde seems to be the type that is content with having conditions dictated to him.

Hope I'm wrong.

 

[upstater]

We're also the type of school at can't afford three losing seasons in a row, when we need to be seen as doing everything we can to build the program.

Deciding between the lesser of two bad choices is why we have leadership. Leaders set conditions, Warde seems to be the type that is content with having conditions dictated to him.

Hope I'm wrong.

The worst thing you can possibly do is hire two bad coaches in a row. We've seen USF do it, we've seen Pitt do it.

You have to insure against it as best you can. I'd rather suck it up one year and maximize my abilities the next.

 

[whaler11]

I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not.

Yes, firing a coach after 2 years means the better coaches stay away from your school and you end up going 4-8 for two straight years, until you fire the next one and then rinse and repeat. Pretty soon you are the Buffalo Bills of the NCAA.

Here's what you do: hire the best possible coach you can, then give them 3 years to right the ship.

I am completely disagreeing. If you make a bad hire you fix it. If the next guy can't handle being held accountable , he's probably not the right guy.

Does UConn not deserve to have a good football coach/team? Why do we have to waste seasons over some nebulous concept of fairness.

P didn't earn a third year. By not firing him, 2013 is on Warde. It's no longer Hathaway's fault going forward.

 

[upstater]

I am completely disagreeing. If you make a bad hire you fix it. If the next guy can't handle being held accountable , he's probably not the right guy.

This doesn't address what I was saying. If firing someone after 2 prevents you from finding the "right guy," you're shooting yourself in the foot.

If Uconn is paying, they have an excellent chance to find the best coach Manuel targets. That wouldn't have been true if he were searching January 2013.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

The good news is that the job search has already begun. If WM fuggs this up he won't be around to hire the next guy's replacement.

 

[ZooCougar]

The worst thing you can possibly do is hire two bad coaches in a row. We've seen USF do it, we've seen Pitt do it.

You have to insure against it as best you can. I'd rather suck it up one year and maximize my abilities the next.

Yeah so I am going to completely disagree with the idea that firing P would have automatically resulted in hiring another bad coach. That's stupid.

P was a bad hire. He never fit in here, canning his ass was necessary to correct the course. Warde basically opted to hit the iceberg and the next coach gets to throw the ship in reverse and bail out the ship.

 

[Pudge]

Well ... I don't think we have any choice now. We are effectively first in the HC Job Market. Hope WM has a huge rolodex and starts talking.

 

[upstater]

Yeah so I am going to completely disagree with the idea that firing P would have automatically resulted in hiring another bad coach. That's stupid.

P was a bad hire. He never fit in here, canning his ass was necessary to correct the course. Warde basically opted to hit the iceberg and the next coach gets to throw the ship in reverse and bail out the ship.

No one said what you said I said.

 

[whaler11]

This doesn't address what I was saying. If firing someone after 2 prevents you from finding the "right guy," you're shooting yourself in the foot.

If Uconn is paying, they have an excellent chance to find the best coach Manuel targets. That wouldn't have been true if he were searching January 2013.

It wouldn't have. Anyone worth hiring would clearly understand why they did it.

Would have been more attractive before the rebuild was harder and the fanbase disappeared.

 

[upstater]

It wouldn't have. Anyone worth hiring would clearly understand why they did it.

Would have been more attractive before the rebuild was harder and the fanbase disappeared.

Coaches are going to look for support and salary. UConn is a stepping stone for them. They look at how bad Pasqualoni is and think, just wait until I get them to 7-5 on a weak conference. I'll be there 4 years at most, win a bowl game, and then land in a bigger spot. That's the mentality.

As I said, many coaches would have come in January, but the most talented would think twice. The article I posted about Embree at Colorado spelled it out more clearly.

 

[whaler11]

Coaches are going to look for support and salary. UConn is a stepping stone for them. They look at how bad Pasqualoni is and think, just wait until I get them to 7-5 on a weak conference. I'll be there 4 years at most, win a bowl game, and then land in a bigger spot. That's the mentality.

As I said, many coaches would have come in January, but the most talented would think twice. The article I posted about Embree at Colorado spelled it out more clearly.

You are kidding right? Colorado unloaded him in 2 years and had a great rising star take over.

 

[Pudge]

I dunno ...

I seem to think 1-11 is distinctly different than 5-7 (particularly after wins versus Pitt and Louisville). Plus Pasqualoni has been a successful HC & Embree had not.

Keeping PP was not a black/white easy decision. We now know our answer though ... 1 week into out season.

 

[upstater]

You are kidding right? Colorado unloaded him in 2 years and had a great rising star take over.

Did you read the article? I think McIntyre will work out for them. But read the stuff going on in the coaching ranks.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Rutgers lost to Villanova in '02, then played them again three years later in '05 and beat them 38-6.

Stop making excuses.

What happened when Rutty played New Hampshire in '04?