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That's interesting because I can remember watching the game against st John's last week and there were several shots within ten feet of the basket that were missed. Very embarrassing GO UCONN!!!!!!!!!
 
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Maybe we should have given the ball to the 7' guy that transferred??:rolleyes:
 
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Its bad when you can't be trusted to make layups and bunnies. That's grade school action.
 
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And that's with Bouk being really, really good at this rim up until the last few games. I would imagine that Cole/Gaff/Adams are collectively probably some of the worst at-the-rim guards in the country.

From 2 point land:
Adams - 29%
Gaffney - 37%
Cole - 32%

I mean... even 45% from 2 is pretty bad when you consider we don't take that many mid-range shots at all.

Carlton is also shooting 48%
Martin 45%
Polley 47%

None of which are great by any means.

Compare that to Bouk at 52%, which also includes more mid-range pullups than anyone other than maybe Polley. I'd suspect his at the rim % is even higher.

We aren't recruiting players that finish at the rim. I think Hurley is just prioritizing other skills. None of our guards or wings are particularly good at the rim in the half court and neither are 'Sool or Hawkins.
 
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From Katie Sharp on twitter...

“UConn is shooting 52.7% on shots at the rim (layups, dunks, tip-ins) per hoop-math.com.

That ranks 325th out of 347 D-1 teams.”

I'm afraid to see the list to see who is ranked lower than UConn for that stat. I have a feeling it's not the type of company you want to keep.
 
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I’m trying to figure this out. I played basketball seriously through high school and played recreationally since, and I would consider myself to be a pretty good player, even though I’m too short to play at any serious level. For a guy like me, I could see in a competitive format, how this could be a likely percentage to shoot contested layups, but for athletic, skilled division 1 athletes, how is this possible? Do we have that much of a lack of basic skill or is this a lack of concentration thing? Blows my mind though.
 
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I think we need to run more in transition if we want to improve our shooting %s. We aren't good in the half-court. We also turn the ball over a lot on the break. I don't have the stats on our team, but I've gotta imagine that the higher % of turnovers would be worth it if we can just score the ball more on the run.
 

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We aren't recruiting players that finish at the rim. I think Hurley is just prioritizing other skills. None of our guards or wings are particularly good at the rim in the half court and neither are 'Sool or Hawkins.
I think that is not correct. Akok who is a wing has been out. Jackson has been out. Bouknight is now out. Martin in theory is that kind of player. Sanogo is a 4/5 is playing. I’d guess the belief is or was that Gaffney is that kind of player. So I think he is recruiting and landing that kind of player.
 
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I’m trying to figure this out. I played basketball seriously through high school and played recreationally since, and I would consider myself to be a pretty good player, even though I’m too short to play at any serious level. For a guy like me, I could see in a competitive format, how this could be a likely percentage to shoot contested layups, but for athletic, skilled division 1 athletes, how is this possible? Do we have that much of a lack of basic skill or is this a lack of concentration thing? Blows my mind though.

Lack of footwork, creativity, and experience, and a lack of fundamentals IMO. Martin both look like kind of kids who only ever did layup lines and wonder why they can't finish in the game. You watch Martin and Cole going to the rim and they're both super stiff. When they try to euro-step or create and angle they don't really get anywhere. Neither of them have a counter when a help defender steps up. Gaffney is just too timid despite some explosiveness, shies away from the defender and makes his shots way too difficult. And tbh Adams just isn't very good right now. Great kid... but he has no touch and seems to just make the wrong decision when he gets in the lane.

They also don't use a jumpstop, which Hurley is preaching for a reason (as well as guys like Jay Wright who is RELIGIOUS about two-foot finishes in practice)--it's a bail out option when you aren't able to get your shot up. You can pivot, try to find a new angle, or kick to a shooter. At worst, it's a jump ball or strip TO instead of a monstrous block that gets the other team energized.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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I think that is not correct. Akok who is a wing has been out. Jackson has been out. Bouknight is now out. Martin in theory is that kind of player. Sanogo is a 4/5 is playing. I’d guess the belief is or was that Gaffney is that kind of player. So I think he is recruiting and landing that kind of player.

Akok and Jackson aren't guys that know how to finish around the rim in the half court unless they're catching lobs or have wide open dunks. They are both elite in transition but half-court offense is lacking.

Another reason why I think we need to be running more (even if it means more TOs), is that we can start to develop our young guys that are so good at running. They won't get better at fixing TOs unless they practice. Hopefully when Jackson and Akok are back and get some game time, we can go to that.

I'm excluding 5s from this conversation mostly. If Sanogo can't shoot 50%+ from 2 he shouldn't see the floor.
 
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For anyone curious, here's the breakdown

Name​
FGA​
TS%​
eFG%​
% shots at rim​
FG% at rim​
%assisted at rim​
% shots 2pt J​
FG% 2pt Jumpers​
%assisted 2pt J​
%of shots 3pt​
3FG%​
%assisted 3s​
FTA/FGA​
FT%​
Cole, RJ​
98​
0.475​
42.3%​
20.4%​
35.0%​
14.3%​
30.6%​
30.0%​
33.3%​
49.0%​
35.4%​
76.5%​
35.7%​
74.3%​
Bouknight, James​
91​
0.564​
51.1%​
41.8%​
63.2%​
20.8%​
20.9%​
31.6%​
0.0%​
37.4%​
32.4%​
36.4%​
39.6%​
80.6%​
Whaley, Isaiah​
81​
0.533​
53.1%​
54.3%​
54.5%​
58.3%​
34.6%​
46.4%​
84.6%​
11.1%​
44.4%​
75.0%​
13.6%​
54.5%​
Martin, Tyrese​
81​
0.520​
49.4%​
60.5%​
51.0%​
32.0%​
16.0%​
23.1%​
33.3%​
23.5%​
42.1%​
100.0%​
37.0%​
63.3%​
Polley, Tyler​
64​
0.570​
53.9%​
12.5%​
62.5%​
20.0%​
17.2%​
36.4%​
0.0%​
70.3%​
37.8%​
76.5%​
20.3%​
84.6%​
Adams, Brendan​
53​
0.459​
41.5%​
26.4%​
28.6%​
25.0%​
18.9%​
30.0%​
33.3%​
54.7%​
34.5%​
90.0%​
35.8%​
68.4%​
Sanogo, Adama​
48​
0.540​
54.2%​
50.0%​
54.2%​
69.2%​
50.0%​
54.2%​
61.5%​
0.0%​
---​
---​
20.8%​
50.0%​
Gaffney, Jalen​
44​
0.501​
40.9%​
29.5%​
38.5%​
0.0%​
25.0%​
36.4%​
0.0%​
45.5%​
30.0%​
100.0%​
52.3%​
82.6%​
Carlton, Josh​
33​
0.492​
48.5%​
78.8%​
61.5%​
37.5%​
21.2%​
0.0%​
---​
0.0%​
---​
---​
42.4%​
50.0%​
Jackson, Andre​
7​
0.286​
28.6%​
42.9%​
66.7%​
50.0%​
14.3%​
0.0%​
---​
42.9%​
0.0%​
---​
0.0%​
---​
Akok, Akok​
3​
0.333​
33.3%​
66.7%​
50.0%​
100.0%​
0.0%​
---​
---​
33.3%​
0.0%​
---​
0.0%​
---​
Brown, Javonte​
2​
1.000​
100.0%​
100.0%​
100.0%​
50.0%​
0.0%​
---​
---​
0.0%​
---​
---​
0.0%​
---​
Springs, Richie​
0​
0.526​
0.0%​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
50.0%​
Total​
605​
0.517​
48.3%​
40.2%​
 
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I'm afraid to see the list to see who is ranked lower than UConn for that stat. I have a feeling it's not the type of company you want to keep.
Not a great list of teams

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For anyone curious, here's the breakdown

Name​
FGA​
TS%​
eFG%​
% shots at rim​
FG% at rim​
%assisted at rim​
% shots 2pt J​
FG% 2pt Jumpers​
%assisted 2pt J​
%of shots 3pt​
3FG%​
%assisted 3s​
FTA/FGA​
FT%​
Cole, RJ​
98​
0.475​
42.3%​
20.4%​
35.0%​
14.3%​
30.6%​
30.0%​
33.3%​
49.0%​
35.4%​
76.5%​
35.7%​
74.3%​
Bouknight, James​
91​
0.564​
51.1%​
41.8%​
63.2%​
20.8%​
20.9%​
31.6%​
0.0%​
37.4%​
32.4%​
36.4%​
39.6%​
80.6%​
Whaley, Isaiah​
81​
0.533​
53.1%​
54.3%​
54.5%​
58.3%​
34.6%​
46.4%​
84.6%​
11.1%​
44.4%​
75.0%​
13.6%​
54.5%​
Martin, Tyrese​
81​
0.520​
49.4%​
60.5%​
51.0%​
32.0%​
16.0%​
23.1%​
33.3%​
23.5%​
42.1%​
100.0%​
37.0%​
63.3%​
Polley, Tyler​
64​
0.570​
53.9%​
12.5%​
62.5%​
20.0%​
17.2%​
36.4%​
0.0%​
70.3%​
37.8%​
76.5%​
20.3%​
84.6%​
Adams, Brendan​
53​
0.459​
41.5%​
26.4%​
28.6%​
25.0%​
18.9%​
30.0%​
33.3%​
54.7%​
34.5%​
90.0%​
35.8%​
68.4%​
Sanogo, Adama​
48​
0.540​
54.2%​
50.0%​
54.2%​
69.2%​
50.0%​
54.2%​
61.5%​
0.0%​
---​
---​
20.8%​
50.0%​
Gaffney, Jalen​
44​
0.501​
40.9%​
29.5%​
38.5%​
0.0%​
25.0%​
36.4%​
0.0%​
45.5%​
30.0%​
100.0%​
52.3%​
82.6%​
Carlton, Josh​
33​
0.492​
48.5%​
78.8%​
61.5%​
37.5%​
21.2%​
0.0%​
---​
0.0%​
---​
---​
42.4%​
50.0%​
Jackson, Andre​
7​
0.286​
28.6%​
42.9%​
66.7%​
50.0%​
14.3%​
0.0%​
---​
42.9%​
0.0%​
---​
0.0%​
---​
Akok, Akok​
3​
0.333​
33.3%​
66.7%​
50.0%​
100.0%​
0.0%​
---​
---​
33.3%​
0.0%​
---​
0.0%​
---​
Brown, Javonte​
2​
1.000​
100.0%​
100.0%​
100.0%​
50.0%​
0.0%​
---​
---​
0.0%​
---​
---​
0.0%​
---​
Springs, Richie​
0​
0.526​
0.0%​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
50.0%​
Total​
605​
0.517​
48.3%​
40.2%​
So Polley is our best rim finisher? Who'd have thunked that?
 
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So Polley is our best rim finisher? Who'd have thunked that?
5/8 on the year, next closest are Gaffney and Adams with 13 and 14 attempts. I'd imagine Polley's percentage is helped that he seems to get fouled any time he does drive into traffic
 
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Name​
FGA​
TS%​
eFG%​
% shots at rim​
FG% at rim​
%assisted at rim​
% shots 2pt J​
FG% 2pt Jumpers​
%assisted 2pt J​
%of shots 3pt​
3FG%​
%assisted 3s​
FTA/FGA​
FT%​
Cole, RJ​
98​
0.475​
42.3%​
20.4%​
35.0%​
14.3%​
30.6%​
30.0%​
33.3%​
49.0%​
35.4%​
76.5%​
35.7%​
74.3%​
Bouknight, James​
91​
0.564​
51.1%​
41.8%​
63.2%​
20.8%​
20.9%​
31.6%​
0.0%​
37.4%​
32.4%​
36.4%​
39.6%​
80.6%​
Whaley, Isaiah​
81​
0.533​
53.1%​
54.3%​
54.5%​
58.3%​
34.6%​
46.4%​
84.6%​
11.1%​
44.4%​
75.0%​
13.6%​
54.5%​
Martin, Tyrese​
81​
0.520​
49.4%​
60.5%​
51.0%​
32.0%​
16.0%​
23.1%​
33.3%​
23.5%​
42.1%​
100.0%​
37.0%​
63.3%​
Polley, Tyler​
64​
0.570​
53.9%​
12.5%​
62.5%​
20.0%​
17.2%​
36.4%​
0.0%​
70.3%​
37.8%​
76.5%​
20.3%​
84.6%​
Adams, Brendan​
53​
0.459​
41.5%​
26.4%​
28.6%​
25.0%​
18.9%​
30.0%​
33.3%​
54.7%​
34.5%​
90.0%​
35.8%​
68.4%​
Sanogo, Adama​
48​
0.540​
54.2%​
50.0%​
54.2%​
69.2%​
50.0%​
54.2%​
61.5%​
0.0%​
---​
---​
20.8%​
50.0%​
Gaffney, Jalen​
44​
0.501​
40.9%​
29.5%​
38.5%​
0.0%​
25.0%​
36.4%​
0.0%​
45.5%​
30.0%​
100.0%​
52.3%​
82.6%​
Carlton, Josh​
33​
0.492​
48.5%​
78.8%​
61.5%​
37.5%​
21.2%​
0.0%​
---​
0.0%​
---​
---​
42.4%​
50.0%​
Jackson, Andre​
7​
0.286​
28.6%​
42.9%​
66.7%​
50.0%​
14.3%​
0.0%​
---​
42.9%​
0.0%​
---​
0.0%​
---​
Akok, Akok​
3​
0.333​
33.3%​
66.7%​
50.0%​
100.0%​
0.0%​
---​
---​
33.3%​
0.0%​
---​
0.0%​
---​
Brown, Javonte​
2​
1.000​
100.0%​
100.0%​
100.0%​
50.0%​
0.0%​
---​
---​
0.0%​
---​
---​
0.0%​
---​
Springs, Richie​
0​
0.526​
0.0%​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
50.0%​
Total​
605​
0.517​
48.3%​
40.2%​

I'm surprised Martin isn't worse. Eye test failed me there. RJ, Gaffney, and Adams are just abysmal though. Wow.
 

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Akok and Jackson aren't guys that know how to finish around the rim in the half court unless they're catching lobs or have wide open dunks. They are both elite in transition but half-court offense is lacking.

Another reason why I think we need to be running more (even if it means more TOs), is that we can start to develop our young guys that are so good at running. They won't get better at fixing TOs unless they practice. Hopefully when Jackson and Akok are back and get some game time, we can go to that.

I'm excluding 5s from this conversation mostly. If Sanogo can't shoot 50%+ from 2 he shouldn't see the floor.
The point is, these guys were recruited and not just to finish at the time in transition he is recruiting that kind of player. Akok and Jackson haven’t played enough to draw any conclusions about.
 
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The point is, these guys were recruited and not just to finish at the time in transition he is recruiting that kind of player. Akok and Jackson haven’t played enough to draw any conclusions about.

Akok played almost an entire season--25 games--we'll have to disagree on that. And Jackson the only sample I have is HS/AAU games we watched. I would imagine his skillset will have improved, so you're probably right the jury is still out on that one, but as of a year ago, he wasn't much of a finisher in the half-court.
 
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For anyone curious, here's the breakdown

Name​
FGA​
TS%​
eFG%​
% shots at rim​
FG% at rim​
%assisted at rim​
% shots 2pt J​
FG% 2pt Jumpers​
%assisted 2pt J​
%of shots 3pt​
3FG%​
%assisted 3s​
FTA/FGA​
FT%​
Cole, RJ​
98​
0.475​
42.3%​
20.4%​
35.0%​
14.3%​
30.6%​
30.0%​
33.3%​
49.0%​
35.4%​
76.5%​
35.7%​
74.3%​
Bouknight, James​
91​
0.564​
51.1%​
41.8%​
63.2%​
20.8%​
20.9%​
31.6%​
0.0%​
37.4%​
32.4%​
36.4%​
39.6%​
80.6%​
Whaley, Isaiah​
81​
0.533​
53.1%​
54.3%​
54.5%​
58.3%​
34.6%​
46.4%​
84.6%​
11.1%​
44.4%​
75.0%​
13.6%​
54.5%​
Martin, Tyrese​
81​
0.520​
49.4%​
60.5%​
51.0%​
32.0%​
16.0%​
23.1%​
33.3%​
23.5%​
42.1%​
100.0%​
37.0%​
63.3%​
Polley, Tyler​
64​
0.570​
53.9%​
12.5%​
62.5%​
20.0%​
17.2%​
36.4%​
0.0%​
70.3%​
37.8%​
76.5%​
20.3%​
84.6%​
Adams, Brendan​
53​
0.459​
41.5%​
26.4%​
28.6%​
25.0%​
18.9%​
30.0%​
33.3%​
54.7%​
34.5%​
90.0%​
35.8%​
68.4%​
Sanogo, Adama​
48​
0.540​
54.2%​
50.0%​
54.2%​
69.2%​
50.0%​
54.2%​
61.5%​
0.0%​
---​
---​
20.8%​
50.0%​
Gaffney, Jalen​
44​
0.501​
40.9%​
29.5%​
38.5%​
0.0%​
25.0%​
36.4%​
0.0%​
45.5%​
30.0%​
100.0%​
52.3%​
82.6%​
Carlton, Josh​
33​
0.492​
48.5%​
78.8%​
61.5%​
37.5%​
21.2%​
0.0%​
---​
0.0%​
---​
---​
42.4%​
50.0%​
Jackson, Andre​
7​
0.286​
28.6%​
42.9%​
66.7%​
50.0%​
14.3%​
0.0%​
---​
42.9%​
0.0%​
---​
0.0%​
---​
Akok, Akok​
3​
0.333​
33.3%​
66.7%​
50.0%​
100.0%​
0.0%​
---​
---​
33.3%​
0.0%​
---​
0.0%​
---​
Brown, Javonte​
2​
1.000​
100.0%​
100.0%​
100.0%​
50.0%​
0.0%​
---​
---​
0.0%​
---​
---​
0.0%​
---​
Springs, Richie​
0​
0.526​
0.0%​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
---​
50.0%​
Total​
605​
0.517​
48.3%​
40.2%​
My admittedly casual takeaway, is that Whaley needs to pull the trigger more on some of those open threes he has been passing on. He's shooting 44.4%, so he can make them.
 

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