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The Big East is getting a solid deal. The market is there for it, and the Big East will get it. How solid? Don't know. But it will be solid.
Is there any chance of convincing Syracuse and Pitt to come back?
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While the BE is at it maybe they can convince Miami and VT to come back. LOL.
Someone please explain to me how a conference that any of the six remaining FB schools would leave in a heartbeat can convince anyone to come back.
The best the BE can hope for is that whatever hodge podge of left over schools it puts together for FB will get some sort of TV contract. If not from ESPN then from someone else.
Someone please explain to me how a conference that any of the six remaining FB schools would leave in a heartbeat can convince anyone to come back.
The best the BE can hope for is that whatever hodge podge of left over schools it puts together for FB will get some sort of TV contract. If not from ESPN then from someone else.
This coming from the guy who told people to "shut the $uck up" when he didn't like their lack of enthusiasm, and the guy who created an alignment plan for me, and then criticized me when I didn't bother to try and defend it?
I hope you realize how big of a hypocrite you are.
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You sir are wrong and you are also an idiot.
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If we can get ND to join for football we'll have Pitt & Cuse begging to get back in (sorry for stealing your line Waylon). Then again, if the queen of England had balls, she'd be king.
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If you use Eminem's divorce/remarry rate, that number is 10%. I'll take it.
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Plus Cuse will need to be guaranteed an 8OT win in MSG over UConn to seal the reentry deal.
The only way Cuse is coming back is if the ACC tells us to pack up our Schlit and leave. I'd say you (UConn) have a good chance of being in the ACC within 3-5 years.
Please let ND come in and then I think you are a shoe in.
Sure.
And you're the genius asking if Quse/Pitt would come back. There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
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There is a very, very long shot that Pitt and Cuse will rejoin UConn in the BE.
The scenario would have to go like follows: The BE doesn't get poached in the near future and continues with the plan to bring in teams to get a decent media contract and keep its BCS AQ.
Missouri stays in the B12 or the B12 gets BYU and stops.
The SEC waits one year and then poaches the ACC for three teams (FSU, Clemson and GT).
The B!g decides its now or never and poaches four teams, three from the ACC (Virginia, VT and Maryland) and one from the BE (Rutgers).
The B12 takes three or four teams from the BE (Ville, WV, Cinci, and BS if they join the BE in the BE expansion)
The remaining BE schools (BB schools + UConn, USF and whoever was added) and ACC (Miami, WF, NCS, NC, Duke, BC, Cuse and Pitt) merge.
Chances of this happening are too small for anyone to take the time and put it in the media or on forums.
The scenario would have to go like follows: The BE doesn't get poached in the near future and continues with the plan to bring in teams to get a decent media contract and keep its BCS AQ.
Missouri stays in the B12 or the B12 gets BYU and stops.
The SEC waits one year and then poaches the ACC for three teams (FSU, Clemson and GT).
The B!g decides its now or never and poaches four teams, three from the ACC (Virginia, VT and Maryland) and one from the BE (Rutgers).
The B12 takes three or four teams from the BE (Ville, WV, Cinci, and BS if they join the BE in the BE expansion)
The remaining BE schools (BB schools + UConn, USF and whoever was added) and ACC (Miami, WF, NCS, NC, Duke, BC, Cuse and Pitt) merge.
Chances of this happening are too small for anyone to take the time and put it in the media or on forums.
Butchy, I just took a look at your helmet line-up and I can't believe that we're in this spot. What an abomination.
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Anything can happen and having the SEC and Big 10 poach the out of the ACC while Pitt and Cuse are waiting their 27 months would sure throw a monkey wrench in Swoffy's plans. I'd love to see that happen. I know most put no credence in the possibility of Pitt and Cuse not leaving but this 27 month requirement will be a major factor in how everything plays out. It makes taking BE teams much less appealing in many ways because the new conference has to wait for so long. If you are the Big 12 do you really want to wait 2 full seasons before your new teams come in when you could just add BYU immediately and BSU in a year at the most?
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The only plausible scenario for which SU and Pitt come back to the BE is if the ACC is massively raided by other conferences, WVU and UL don't leave along with no one else leaving, and ND is added as a full football member.
So in other words, there are no plausible scenarios in which SU and Pitt come back.
So in other words, there are no plausible scenarios in which SU and Pitt come back.
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ND would certainly not have to join. The ACC being raided would help but would not be a requirement either. The only real requirement would be expansion of the football conference and having assurances of a PAC 12 level TV rights deal if they stayed. Nobody would turn that down. Pride would not allow someone to walk away from $22m a year in order to recieve $15m for the next decade.
Marrinatto already says that they are prepared for a 14 team football conference in 2013 because Pitt and Cuse are still going to be here along with the 6 proposed additions. The new TV contract would be in effect for that season so there is no way that Pitt and Cuse are not discussed in those negotiations and if they stay the BE will definitely be able to get Pac 12 money and I just don't see any plausible scenario where anyone turns down that type of money.
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I know a lot of Syracuse people..get to that in a second...but as long as things to get duckked up by the basketball centric leadership we've got, the big east conference will have a lucrative several years ahead of them in the broadcasting world as a 12 team football conference and a hybrid basketball conference. How long it would last? who knows, depends on the broadcasting contract.
Back to the syracuse people. I'm going to actually feel real bad for those folks, if they actually do rise to the top in football and basketball in coming years, and get to play a football or basketball championship somewhere in the Carolina's, instead of new york city.
If Syracuse and UConn had made the move to the ACC, the big east would be in HUGE trouble. Perhaps there's a lot of hubris in that from me, so what....doesn't make it wrong.
I think that a big east conference minus syracuse and uconn, and instead of syracuse and pitt has a much harder time surviving, that's all, and the ACC has no trouble moving it's championships to the media capital of the world.
But we still get new york city, in basketball, and we'll hopefully very soon, have it in football too.
If anybody is foolish enough to think that the new york yankee organization won't put eveyrthing they've got into making a big east championship game at yankee stadium successful? I don't know what to tell you. College football at yankee stadium inthe bronx, and at the polo grounds in manhattan was once very, very big. The reason isn't because college football was different, it's because new york is the media capital of the world, and the landscape of college football changed dramatically between the late 1960s and late 1970s with the move toward the division of college football into 1-A and 1-AA football, and there weren't any teams in the area any more to play regularly.
One of george steinbrenner's dreams (and he as a football guy before he was a baseball guy), coached with Lou Saban.....was to return college football to new york city. Had he had more success as a football caoch early on, he might have never taken over th shipbuilding business his dad owned, and the yankees....well who knows.
His kids are following through on it - college football in the bronx.
And the nicest thing about going to new york, for a football game in december, or baskeball games in march, is that ummm..
You get to hang out in New York City!!!!
I really hope it happens. I'd go to yankee stadium to see the big east championship game, regardless of who's playing.
Back to the syracuse people. I'm going to actually feel real bad for those folks, if they actually do rise to the top in football and basketball in coming years, and get to play a football or basketball championship somewhere in the Carolina's, instead of new york city.
If Syracuse and UConn had made the move to the ACC, the big east would be in HUGE trouble. Perhaps there's a lot of hubris in that from me, so what....doesn't make it wrong.
I think that a big east conference minus syracuse and uconn, and instead of syracuse and pitt has a much harder time surviving, that's all, and the ACC has no trouble moving it's championships to the media capital of the world.
But we still get new york city, in basketball, and we'll hopefully very soon, have it in football too.
If anybody is foolish enough to think that the new york yankee organization won't put eveyrthing they've got into making a big east championship game at yankee stadium successful? I don't know what to tell you. College football at yankee stadium inthe bronx, and at the polo grounds in manhattan was once very, very big. The reason isn't because college football was different, it's because new york is the media capital of the world, and the landscape of college football changed dramatically between the late 1960s and late 1970s with the move toward the division of college football into 1-A and 1-AA football, and there weren't any teams in the area any more to play regularly.
One of george steinbrenner's dreams (and he as a football guy before he was a baseball guy), coached with Lou Saban.....was to return college football to new york city. Had he had more success as a football caoch early on, he might have never taken over th shipbuilding business his dad owned, and the yankees....well who knows.
His kids are following through on it - college football in the bronx.
And the nicest thing about going to new york, for a football game in december, or baskeball games in march, is that ummm..
You get to hang out in New York City!!!!
I really hope it happens. I'd go to yankee stadium to see the big east championship game, regardless of who's playing.
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Anderson said on Wednesday that he does not envision the process taking the full 27 months. He said the Big East has asked both Pittsburgh and Syracuse to stop coming to conference meetings and that the conference has signaled to their partners that “the transition could be sooner.”
http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2011/10/19/could-pitt-syracuse-move-to-acc.html
Maryland AD really hoping that Cuse and Pitt get out of the BE sooner rather than later. He says that the BE has alluded to letting them out early when all reports are that the opposite is actually true. Marrinatto specifically said that there is no chance they get out early. I think he knows it could derail everything if Pitt and Cuse don't get out before the new BE TV contract. Regardless of whether he can envision it taking 27 months or not, it will. Count on it.
http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2011/10/19/could-pitt-syracuse-move-to-acc.html
Maryland AD really hoping that Cuse and Pitt get out of the BE sooner rather than later. He says that the BE has alluded to letting them out early when all reports are that the opposite is actually true. Marrinatto specifically said that there is no chance they get out early. I think he knows it could derail everything if Pitt and Cuse don't get out before the new BE TV contract. Regardless of whether he can envision it taking 27 months or not, it will. Count on it.
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But they think they are.
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http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/pitt/s_762568.html
Commissioner John Marinatto said Tuesday that Pitt and Syracuse can't leave the Big East until after the 2013 football season and might become part of a restructured 14-school league before joining the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Marinatto hopes to expand the Big East to 12 football-playing schools from its current roster of six, excluding Pitt and Syracuse, who said last month they plan to leave the conference.
Asked if the new model would excuse those two schools from the Big East's 27-month notification rule, Marinatto said, "It will not."
In fact, Marinatto said Big East members have proposed a 14-school model that would include Pitt and Syracuse for two lame-duck years.
"I wouldn't rule that out at all," he said. "If it came to that, we would certainly employ that if it was to our membership's advantage."
They aren't going anywhere until after this new TV contract is signed.
Commissioner John Marinatto said Tuesday that Pitt and Syracuse can't leave the Big East until after the 2013 football season and might become part of a restructured 14-school league before joining the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Marinatto hopes to expand the Big East to 12 football-playing schools from its current roster of six, excluding Pitt and Syracuse, who said last month they plan to leave the conference.
Asked if the new model would excuse those two schools from the Big East's 27-month notification rule, Marinatto said, "It will not."
In fact, Marinatto said Big East members have proposed a 14-school model that would include Pitt and Syracuse for two lame-duck years.
"I wouldn't rule that out at all," he said. "If it came to that, we would certainly employ that if it was to our membership's advantage."
They aren't going anywhere until after this new TV contract is signed.
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It's not the TV contract. We need to play with them in '12 and '13 to keep our BCS berth. We need two new teams for next year so that when they leave, after '13, we have 8 schools who have played at least two years together.
Depite anything they say to their fanbases, Pitt and SU know this, and know they can't be allowed out early.
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The fact remains they will still be Big East members when the new TV contract is negotiated. They will be discussed and an option will be on the table for a TV contract including them should they happen to remain in the Big East. In my opinion such a contract would be huge and would rival the PAC 12's recent blockbuster deal. The soonest the ACC could even discuss such a deal would be about 11 years away.
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I'm not so sure it would be about cash alone. Stability is a huge incentive right now. I think you'd need a scenario like:
1) ACC is poached by SEC/ BIG 10.
2) 'Ville goes to Big 12.
3) BB onlies leave.
4) Big $$ contract from NBC/Comcast
- (in the 18 -20 mil per school range to guarantee future stability and pay for the ACC departure fee.)
5) One or more current ACC (Maryland/BC) teams go with them.
Obviously very remote.
1) ACC is poached by SEC/ BIG 10.
2) 'Ville goes to Big 12.
3) BB onlies leave.
4) Big $$ contract from NBC/Comcast
- (in the 18 -20 mil per school range to guarantee future stability and pay for the ACC departure fee.)
5) One or more current ACC (Maryland/BC) teams go with them.
Obviously very remote.
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Money creates stability. If the Big East is offered $20-$22m per school if they can keep Cuse and Pitt in the fold and have added enough teams that there are 14 football members (3 football only) and 19 olympic sports members the balance of power will also have shifted. The football schools would be calling the shots and the basketball schools wouldn't really have enough leverage anymore to create instability. The money will be there for the taking. It's pretty much gauranteed to be.
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No offense, but this is just stupid.
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See, that is why Fishy can get away with stuff I can't. I don't think far enough ahead to tell people "no offense" before I call their ideas stupid.
"Money creates stabilty." There you go, Heartbeat!
Thanks for being the first author on this illuminating topic.
More money (adding massive markets dallas, d.c., orlando, denver and orlando) for a Comcast deal and time (27 months the "back stabbers" must stay) are potent weapons the Big East can unleash.
The 27-month plan of attack is already causing cracks as cantor, gross, perdersen and nordenberg are looking foolish and their leadership is being questioned for jumping the gun without thinking it through. I'm sure they thought they would skate early like Nebraska, CU and Utah did. No way. And begging won't change our minds.
How ironic that the "back stabbers" must obey the rule that they help put in place in resposnse to bc, miami and vatech leaving. As Waylon eloquently stated, "they should have thought about that before they stabbed their conference members in the back."
27-months is a millennium in college football and there has to be some chance that if the "back stabbers" are held to this, they never play a down in that southern conference. It WILL be an enirely different landscape by that time. Comcast and ND will make sure of that
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I don't know why people are rejecting this scenario so quickly when the facts are clearly there. The next contract will be negotiated before any of these schools are able to leave and if the BE is able to make it clear to them that Pac 12 type money or better is there for the taking if they just stay in the Big East I don't see why people think it's impossible. Hell, I don't care if Marrinatto tells them the league will cover whatever fees they incur by backing out of their new conferences just make it clear to them that we want them to stay and that there is more money here for them and the football league has been stabilized.
what is exit penalty for them, if they leave without ever playing ala tcu?
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I guess it depends on what the exit fee was when they made the agreement with the ACC to join. It will be either $16m which is what it was prior to the increase or the new fee of $20m. Big East should say, "look don't worry about that, we'll take care of it. Now how does $22m a year for the next 12 years sound?"
"For the love of money"
Give me a nickel, brother can you spare a dime
Money can drive some people out of their minds
For the love of money
Got to have it - I really need it
For a small piece of paper it carries a lot of weight
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Instead of playing a song at the end of the 3rd quarters at home games of a 30ish year old pervert man singing a love song to a 12-year old girl named Caroline. The 'back stabber' should play the O'Jay's hits:
"For the Love of Money"
and
"Back stabbers"
It would be more appropiate and accurate
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