I think people are making too much of Tuck "leaving early". That had as much to do with issues specific to Morgan (getting drafted high without the knee being a huge concern) and to her class (going out with Stewie and Mo) as anything else. I think Z stays: Geno has already talked about her lack of conditioning and I think she will try to maximize her development over 3 years at UConn. It's not like she chose UConn, got injured, took a redshirt, and then "went pro early".
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This is a fine thread, well titled. Why come here and post if you are not interested or disapprove?
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I suspect Geno and Azura had a serious discussion about whether she was going to stick around for two years or three, and I suspect she told him she was down for three years (two playing) before Geno agreed to the transfer, great talent not withstanding. He doesn't like Juco transfers for the same reason. Whatever was said is not binding, but I think it is far from a foregone conclusion that Stevens leaves after next year - she wanted to train and be coached by the best, and why cut it short - she will still be learning things. It is a very different situation from Morgan's - she had been in the program for four years, and had a ticking time bomb with her knees.
I think it is more likely that after Camara has been on campus for three years she decides to leave at the same time as Stevens. Come in together, leave together.
I think it is more likely that after Camara has been on campus for three years she decides to leave at the same time as Stevens. Come in together, leave together.
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You have got to be kidding starting this thread. You have got to be kidding.
1-- None of us know a thing about what Az will do.
2-- Having Camara and NCollier - and "we're thin?"
3-- You know for a fact Lou won't be much of a rebounder in her sr year?
4-- How many minutes do you think CCollier is going to be relied upon in big games as a frosh?
5-- What about the other positions -- such a Meg Walker - she is 6'0 or 6'1 will ve the "soph" jump in improvement along with her appearing to being a super athlete unless you are suggesting only big girls could rebound?
6-- What about Lexi? She'll ahev the soph jump too and looks like a rugged player whether it be sf or pf.
7-- And we're not done recruiting, are we?
You've got be kidding with this thread. I can only think some fans from other teams/ sites will take the thread and pass it on to laugh at what many UCONN fans are worried about two years from now -- "rebounding." The thing is - you can win while getting your butt whipped on the glass.
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Exactly! We don't have any length, depth, width, speed either.
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It's a dumb thread, but it's what we do.
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She said, very early after accepting, that she wanted everything that UConn could offer her in her 2 years of remaining eligibility.
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Tried to edit, but ran out of time. Wanted to add:
"It's all about my player development," Stevens said. "Just getting the most out of the four years that I had and didn't see that happening at Duke, personally for myself. It might be a great program for other students and players, but it wasn't what I was looking for."
Stevens, Camara Must Sit A Year, But UConn Women's Practices Should Be Awesome
I guess the half full glass folks can read that one way, but I think she's talking 4 years of eligibility. As UcM said, it would be highly likely that direct discussions of this topic occurred between Geno and Azura . But anything can happen.
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It's a dumb thread, but it's what we do.
Agree with both, to the extent of the laissez faire sentiment.
Fine versus dumb, of course, is in the eyes of the beholder. Many of us are too dumb to know the difference.
In general, would just comment that when people post on-topic and within the rules, those who want to participate can do so and those who don't can pass on by.
Posting in the thread only to disapprove of the choice of topic is the real waste of band space -- goes against our purpose to encourage people to speak up.
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Reminds me, however, of the biggest full-class laugh I remember from my junior high years.
In math class, this guy, I'll call him Dave (since that was his name), raised his hand, then pulled it back down.
Mr. Dippel (we called him variations of "Dip" of course), said "Yes Dave?"
Dave: "Never mind. It was a stupid question."
Dip: "No, no, ask it. You should never feel that way."
So Dave asked.
Long pause, then . . .
Dip: "That IS a stupid question."
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Trying to redirect a little here....
so, we really don't know Z's intentions. Probably she wasn't sure of them herself when she made the momentous decision to transfer and therefore sit out a year. May not even know them now, after adjusting to life at UConn and wondering how well she'll play next year. May not even know them until April next year (Morgan was torn in her decision until just before the draft, when she announced she was going pro).
And we don't know Geno's thoughts when he accepted Z's transfer. But surely he hoped it'd be for 2 years, since one-and-done is somewhat disruptive to the team. OTOH, he might have thought that even one year of Z would solve some of his immediate problems while he recruited Charli and other bigs. Also otherwise she likely goes to South Carolina and how good would they have been then?
But after Z committed, Batouly also wanted to transfer, giving UConn some good rebounding strength for 3 years (assuming she wants to stay all 3).
And THEN, Megan declared for UConn; not height but more supreme talent
And THEN the current team showed up hugely, hugely better than he anticipated and played bigger than anyone thought it could.
None of this gives clarity about Geno's hopes for Z's staying 2 years or being more stoic if she stays only 1. Just to say that WCBB, with all the transfers, has become quite fluid, with so many contingencies. The last thing we do know is about 6 weeks ago when Geno predicted that Z would be POY if she stayed 2 years. That's clearly still his hope. Everything else is not only speculation, but mere guesses, because Z's own feelings are going to evolve over the course of next year.
so, we really don't know Z's intentions. Probably she wasn't sure of them herself when she made the momentous decision to transfer and therefore sit out a year. May not even know them now, after adjusting to life at UConn and wondering how well she'll play next year. May not even know them until April next year (Morgan was torn in her decision until just before the draft, when she announced she was going pro).
And we don't know Geno's thoughts when he accepted Z's transfer. But surely he hoped it'd be for 2 years, since one-and-done is somewhat disruptive to the team. OTOH, he might have thought that even one year of Z would solve some of his immediate problems while he recruited Charli and other bigs. Also otherwise she likely goes to South Carolina and how good would they have been then?
But after Z committed, Batouly also wanted to transfer, giving UConn some good rebounding strength for 3 years (assuming she wants to stay all 3).
And THEN, Megan declared for UConn; not height but more supreme talent
And THEN the current team showed up hugely, hugely better than he anticipated and played bigger than anyone thought it could.
None of this gives clarity about Geno's hopes for Z's staying 2 years or being more stoic if she stays only 1. Just to say that WCBB, with all the transfers, has become quite fluid, with so many contingencies. The last thing we do know is about 6 weeks ago when Geno predicted that Z would be POY if she stayed 2 years. That's clearly still his hope. Everything else is not only speculation, but mere guesses, because Z's own feelings are going to evolve over the course of next year.
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That's really not the case. Depending on how good she is, a year's worth of WNBA pay, overseas pay, and endorsements is worth anywhere from a hundred thousand to several hundred thousand dollars. The cost of a year in the UConn master's program is considerably less. This is the reason that Lloyd, Parker, and others have left when they still had eligibility remaining. Who knows what decision she will/should make, but it's just a matter of finances, the answer is clear.
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Agree with everything you say, but surely when Z visited Storrs, before Geno officially offered her a scholarship and Z decided to accept, there must have been a discussion between the two concerning her long term plans: What were her goals? What did she expect from UConn? How long did she plan to be here?
Like everyone Geno has on scholarship, Z is an intelligent, poised young lady. Geno and his staff did their homework on Z before they agreed to offer her a scholarship. I have to believe there is an understanding between Z & Geno on how many years she will be in Storrs, and while it may not be absolute, I suspect that it is the intention of both individuals to follow through on their understanding.
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Agree completely with you, oldude and with your statement that "it may not be absolute." The fact that recently Geno needed to say publicly that she would be POY if she stayed 2 years suggests that the understanding isn't completely understood
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You're right. We're interested in recruiting, and the look of our teams going forward. As you quite rightly point out, "thinking about the future while enjoying the present" is quite enjoyable!
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Thank you. Some might not like to consider our future line-up, but lots of people here are intensely interested in the future, which is closely linked to recruiting. I see lots of comments and threads about 2018 and 2019 recruits, and who UConn is targeting. Seems to me that there is a common-sense link between who we're trying to entice to Connecticut and what our team will look like going forward. We know what the team will look like next year. But not after that.
So just posing the question of who will be here (a major star waiting in the wings may or may not be here then), we'll have lost our big defensive spark plug (Gabby) by then. So looking to the future is part of the fun.
And if some don't want to muse about the future, they can sit quietly by without engaging.
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I suspected that at the time he made that the statement there was only one important listener he had in mind.
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She will also earn a lot more money after her basketball career is over with a master's degree. That is why I said "in the long run".
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Easy enough to go back for your degree after her career is over and the opportunity cost of getting it isn't hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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As much as I like Kia Nurse and knowing the importance of her on this team--I too forget her when enumerating those on this team. Gabby and Kia will graduate together--unless something unforeseeable occurs. Also, I suspect Azura will like winning NC's so much --she'll hang around as long as possible, which may up her Wnba Rating (if such a thing is possible)???
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Excuse me for being a bit of unimpressed with PHD/Masters (required in some professions). If she obtains the DT/Maya/Stewie notoriety that (with or without the degree) will bring her 1,000,.000 per year--not cumulative. A few, if not many, Uconn players of lessor status have obtained nice positions because of their association with Uconn. Sue and Dt reportedly made more than 5oo,000 per year playing overseas.
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Why would waiting 1 year stop her from obtaining that notoriety? On the other hand if she left early and God forbid suffered a serious injury in her first few seasons then what? Delaying jumping to the WNBA 1 year is not a huge price to pay for an insurance policy like a master's degree.
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You're missing the entire point. There already are two other thread that address the recruits. One is on the top of the page and the other is the one titled something like "u17/18 recruiting target observations." So you aren't "just talking about our future lineup" -- you are putting out there that there is a "concern" when you say "Are we again going to be thin in rebounding?" -- Two years from now when you have NO IDEA what that lineup will entail. You've readily dismissed AZ from contention when you've had no idea whether she will stay or not. You're dismissing Lou as an improved rebounder as if she won't improve. You're not taking into account that maybe a player like Walker could be an enormous help on the glass. Can't CCollier play 5-8 minutes at center if need be and then have Lou backup Collier?
Anyhow-- suppose this early in the game you are fan in the belief that Geno will pick up another big OR Az will stay? In other words, why did you ask the question "are we going to be thin again" if you were to have confidence that Geno will probably get another big body? You created its own thread despite the other threads that actively speak of recruiting and needs. One of the threads speaks specifically of "recruiting targets." In addition, suppose you looked at stats for example the Baylor game or the Texas game or the MD game and we still won. So what is the big deal about worrying about rebounding two years from now? The reason I bring this up is that many fans overrate size - for example many fans continued to struggle with UCONN not getting the ball inside enough to Nat. Or I can remember during the summer a poster who didn't come on here often but was criticizing Geno for not playing Nat more clearly indicating that Geno blew it.
Basically to add on bold- I'm always a bit surprised why so many UCONN fans have such fear of size and fear of their team. For example last couple of years there was genuine fear from some about USF. Why? Why are you so concerned about rebounding two years from now when you see we've been able to do darn good even while getting beat pretty good? Sure this year we can lose by it. But for 2 years from now, don't you have confidence in Geno that he'll get another big body? That's what the other two threads speak of in terms of recruits. Who we're after.
Final point- every team in America is questionable in some manner if you look at two years from now. For example, in the summer Danger had surgery. This year not even half done she is hurt. She has a small body. May not be durable. SO is that another "concern?" I emn Coombs is considered a combo guard more than a pg by some, isn't she? WHo is the pg if Danger doesn't produce? What about 3pt shooting? Geno has said in the past he likes to have three shooters that can spread out and shoot against a zone. Suppose AEH's derfense isn't "ready?" Then all we have is two shooters. DO you see hwo easy it is to look out over two
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Nothing pays like fame. The one year delay into the Wnba MAY enhance her status --depending upon whom she is competing against. If there is no competition for #1--then go out early. It all depends on the situation of either year.
Like lew Alcindor, who pondered whether to leave early or not--I would have counseled him to leave--he didn't
The counsel was base on your assumption of injuries in the final year in college. My belief, and experience from viewing,
that the Degree can wait (if ever achieved ) a top players status and fame will provide financial reward equal or more than the degree. Low level players should obtain the degree- however look at Pattyson-Coulmo (sp) she'd done well just being associated with Geno and his program-(some small local fame)
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Yet in a radio interview, Coach Geno was talking about how the women's game would look if they had men's rules. He said that Stewie would have left after her freshman season, and KML would have left after her sophomore season. Of course, if all you're going to get is $50k from the WNBA, then why bother? But if you're going to get, say, $100k as a top recruit, and then after the summer, when WCBB would be starting back up, you're taking off for Russia or Turkey or such for half a million bucks, then the situation looks different. If you only have a few years as a pro, do you pass up several hundred thousand dollars to win one more NC for UConn? Do you risk earning nothing if you injure your knee?
If you were the player of the year in the ACC, then you come back and start for a national champion UConn team, what more have you to gain from staying around? A MA, unless it's an MBA, probably won't get you hundreds of thousands of bucks, certainly not your first year out. So kids have to look out for their bodies and their careers.
Of course, I don't know what Z will do. But a head coach has to plan for the future. He's got to think that this is a serious possibility. And he has to recruit with that in mind. So does he go really hard for post players? Does he cast the net wide with the 18/19 and future teams in mind?
Just sayin'.
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Your "just saying" I agree with most of it-- Geno has already got Collier (the other Collier) and i'll bet he has tapped a few bigs in preparation of making offers--let them know he has interest--
All the risks are big risk towards a career--the thing is today these kids can play at the WNBA to be visible to Europe or China--and start making big (women's big) money. If they were men 10,000,000 or more contracts--yes some
as low as 400k.