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Green was a highly skilled player who had multiple triple-doubles, averaged 10 boards and shot 39% from deep his senior year. He didn't blossom until he lost weight.
Is shonn a pro?
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Green was a highly skilled player who had multiple triple-doubles, averaged 10 boards and shot 39% from deep his senior year. He didn't blossom until he lost weight.
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Talent evaluation has a subjective aspect to it so unless your an NBA scout who screw up themselves endlessly I will respectfully disagree with you.
How many times did you see KO playing at UConn? I saw him play dozens of games in college.He is not even in the top 5 of Uconn PG's. He would tell you that himself.
He would be considered weak athletically pretty much without an outside shot.
His best attributes were legit size, a cool head,and an incredible work ethic. Plus a decent if not spectacular handle. I excluded being able to pass the ball to Ray Allen which any PG would love to do.
Miller is twice the athlete , I suspect with enough work he will be a legit shooter ( the stroke is there),with a good enough handle to play some three or strength to play 4. Plus he is a pretty intelligent kid.
Face it the're all work in Progresses with the exception of a gifted few.
Even Bill Russell attributed his success as a 6'9 center to working on his game 6 hours a day.
I suspect with Millers built he could play at 225 without loss of hops. He probably is the strongest kid on our team even at 209. So he has to play the PF position for us .I know that's not saying much with our cast of beanpoles.
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What do those two have in common besides maybe their height and a good vertical? Their games are entirely different. Green's a wing.
This is like saying if I just practice learning how to code I can drop out of college and become the next Marc Zuck. Draymond Green is a once in generation talent at his size...
Do remember that Draymond averaged 16 10 and shot 39% from 3 shooting almost 4 three's a game in college his senior year.
Not to mention Gerald Green was a lottery pick out of high school so their situations aren't even comparable.
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He is more of a Kawhi Leonard than a Green. Went from BMOC in SDSU, to playing small forward on the Spurs. He improved his 3P% from .250 in college to .360 in pros in order to become more of a threat, but they have a pretty similar game. I will caveat that with he was brought into the league playing with one of the greatest coaches in the game. Only difference is, Leonard was a top 10 recruit, Miller was a one-star guy who was brought to D1 to play a SF. On both Cornell and UConn hes played down low most of the time out of necessity. He's gotten comfortable being a post player when he should have been working on his perimeter game. If he doesn't go to the NBA, he was a victim of circumstance, where on every team he played for, he was pushed to be the teams big man.
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Leonard was more in the top 60ish range, not top 10. Also have to consider that he left SDSU after 2 years around 20-21 years of age, meanwhile Shonn is in his 5th year of college and already 22. Guys like Leonard are outliers tho as far as development, the improvement in his handle and jumper has been dramatic, he was basically an undersized PF trying to play out on the wing while at SDSU, where as now he looks completely natural as a wing a few years later.
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A few have questioned my comments about Shonn's athleticism. I'm probably selling him short on that to some degree. It didn't go unnoticed how he skied way above the rim on one of his rebounds last game. Maybe it's how he seems to glide along in the full court and never seems to be an end to end burner in transition. Also, he tends to be a tad mechanical around the basket, not showing a quick explosion around defenders. It's sort of strange since he does get off the ground quite well, as demonstrated with his jump hook from time to time.
I can't quite put my finger on it. Does anyone else notice what I'm talking about. I'm trying to think of some similar sized players in the NBA. They usually have at least one of the following and I don't think he has any of these: Deadly deep shooter, uber athletic wing skill, or if they're inside players, off the chart athleticism where they play bigger than their size, strong enough to bang and quicker than the bigger NBA 4s. I guess the guy who has all of this is Draymond Green of GS. (Edited: I didn't read all the pages, but I see that many others pointed out Green as a comparison as far as physical attributes and size.)
I have a feeling, what we see is a product of his personality and intellect. He seems to have an analytical way about his game. I'd love to see him just play instinctively with reckless abandonment and see what that would look like. Don't get me wrong. He's a nice college player and by all indications a great kid.
I can't remember who told me this. It might have been Tom Moore, but he said that what makes the difference between a good college player and great, and great college player and NBA Pro is how much of a go after it type of personality they have. Players like Kemba at the college and pro-level and Bazz at the college level come to mind. Both played far above their physical stature and abilities. There are many bigger and more athletic (well in Kemba's case, he's up there athletically, just small), and might even have high BB Skills that just don't make it because of the ones who out work and out will them in practice, individual development time and in games.
Let me ask everyone this question. What does he lack then that other players his size and athleticism in the NBA have? He jumps high. He can step out and hit 3s, but doesn't take many. He has a move or two in the paint, and finishes well around the basket most of the time. He can hit an occasional midrange J, but doesn't do it often. His handle is not what a wing would need, but serviceable as a 4, but maybe that's one of the areas that he lacks most. Does a player his size need to have take-you-off-the-dribble skills to carve a spot in the league. Frankly, I'm no longer sure what it takes. There are so many teams now in the NBA where the level of talent is somewhat watered down. There are slews of players who either rarely get off the bench, or if they do, put up pedestrian numbers. Who's to say a player like Shonn wouldn't be as or more productive as a 10 to 15 minute bench guy than many of the guys in the league. As for a top of the rotation kind of player, like a Draymond Green, Shonn seems to lack a few things, but what are they?
I can't quite put my finger on it. Does anyone else notice what I'm talking about. I'm trying to think of some similar sized players in the NBA. They usually have at least one of the following and I don't think he has any of these: Deadly deep shooter, uber athletic wing skill, or if they're inside players, off the chart athleticism where they play bigger than their size, strong enough to bang and quicker than the bigger NBA 4s. I guess the guy who has all of this is Draymond Green of GS. (Edited: I didn't read all the pages, but I see that many others pointed out Green as a comparison as far as physical attributes and size.)
I have a feeling, what we see is a product of his personality and intellect. He seems to have an analytical way about his game. I'd love to see him just play instinctively with reckless abandonment and see what that would look like. Don't get me wrong. He's a nice college player and by all indications a great kid.
I can't remember who told me this. It might have been Tom Moore, but he said that what makes the difference between a good college player and great, and great college player and NBA Pro is how much of a go after it type of personality they have. Players like Kemba at the college and pro-level and Bazz at the college level come to mind. Both played far above their physical stature and abilities. There are many bigger and more athletic (well in Kemba's case, he's up there athletically, just small), and might even have high BB Skills that just don't make it because of the ones who out work and out will them in practice, individual development time and in games.
Let me ask everyone this question. What does he lack then that other players his size and athleticism in the NBA have? He jumps high. He can step out and hit 3s, but doesn't take many. He has a move or two in the paint, and finishes well around the basket most of the time. He can hit an occasional midrange J, but doesn't do it often. His handle is not what a wing would need, but serviceable as a 4, but maybe that's one of the areas that he lacks most. Does a player his size need to have take-you-off-the-dribble skills to carve a spot in the league. Frankly, I'm no longer sure what it takes. There are so many teams now in the NBA where the level of talent is somewhat watered down. There are slews of players who either rarely get off the bench, or if they do, put up pedestrian numbers. Who's to say a player like Shonn wouldn't be as or more productive as a 10 to 15 minute bench guy than many of the guys in the league. As for a top of the rotation kind of player, like a Draymond Green, Shonn seems to lack a few things, but what are they?
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