OT: Is KC the new Patriots

[HuskyHawk]

Patriots won 6 Superbowls, Chiefs won 3 Superbowls so far. This isn't hard.

Super bowls are not the only thing that matters.

 

[superjohn]

Super bowls are not the only thing that matters.

You really sound like a Jayhawks fan.

 

[Husky25]

Chiefs have accomplished 50% of what the Patriots accomplished, Reid isn't retiring any time soon,

Reid has two years left on his contract and turns 68 soon after it is set to expire. He also had to address and fend off rumors of retirement earlier in the week, so to say he isn't retiring anytime soon is totally dependent on one's definition of "soon."

Mahomes greatness isn't due to his athleticism, and Brady played forever because he was hardly touched. Mahomes can most likely play forever as well if he wants to.

Mahomes' athleticism doesn't contribute to his "greatness?" Sure thing.

Brady being hardly touched is a myth. He was hit plenty before Carson Palmer went down in the Playoffs vs Pittsburgh, which sparked the change in emphasis on roughing. As his career went on, the Patriots had a superb OL Coach who could turnout a greater sum from generally average parts. Even during seasons where that wasn't the case, Brady's average release was around or under 2.5 seconds and he knew when to throw the ball away instead of forcing it or scrambling.

Brady was able to play so long because he started taking better care of himself, mixing holistic and naturopathic lifestyle concepts (i.e. TB12) with his conventional training in the mid aughts.

I don't have much doubt that Mahomes should be able to play out his contract (age 36 season). I'm not sure if he'll be at the same level as he is now, but it's possible.

 

[superjohn]

Reid has two years left on his contract and turns 68 soon after it is set to expire. He also had to address and fend off rumors of retirement earlier in the week, so to say he isn't retiring anytime soon is totally dependent on one's definition of "soon."


Mahomes' athleticism doesn't contribute to his "greatness?" Sure thing.

Brady being hardly touched is a myth. He was hit plenty before Carson Palmer went down in the Playoffs vs Pittsburgh, which sparked the change in emphasis on roughing. As his career went on, the Patriots had a superb OL Coach who could turnout a greater sum from generally average parts. Even during seasons where that wasn't the case, Brady's average release was around or under 2.5 seconds and he knew when to throw the ball away instead of forcing it or scrambling.

Brady was able to play so long because he started taking better care of himself, mixing holistic and naturopathic lifestyle concepts (i.e. TB12) with his conventional training in the mid aughts.

I don't have much doubt that Mahomes should be able to play out his contract (age 36 season). I'm not sure if he'll be at the same level as he is now, but it's possible.

He had to "fend off rumors of retirement earlier in the week." Yep, that means he's close to retirement. Lolz

Mahomes fastest recorded 40 is 4.8. The things that make him great are what made Brady great. He just happens to be able to do some things Brady couldn't do.

Please stop with the TB12 nonsense, it's embarrassing.

 

[HuskyHawk]

You really sound like a Jayhawks fan.

It's the way I feel about every sport. Making the playoffs consistently matters a lot as a fan. Winning it all is nice, but I enjoy the regular season rooting for a winning team. Feel the same whether it is college basketball, college football, NFL, NBA, NHL, MLS. Being a consistent winner and almost never missing the playoffs is harder than winning titles and then going into the toilet.

This has been a fantastic season for UConn even if we lose in the elite 8 (I'd be surprised if we lost earlier than that).

 

[Husky25]

He had to "fend off rumors of retirement earlier in the week." Yep, that means he's close to retirement. Lolz

Mahomes fastest recorded 40 is 4.8. The things that make him great are what made Brady great. He just happens to be able to do some things Brady couldn't do.

Please stop with the TB12 nonsense, it's embarrassing.

Straight ahead speed is a component, but I wouldn't necessarily consider it THE lead indication of athleticism.

I don't think you should feel embarrassed about by muscle pliability, hydration, sleep, diet, or anything else that may allow a world class athlete to perform at such a high level well into their 40s. I know I don't.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Straight ahead speed is a component, but I wouldn't necessarily consider it THE lead indication of athleticism.

I don't think you should feel embarrassed about by muscle pliability, hydration, sleep, diet, or anything else that may allow a world class athlete to perform at such a high level well into their 40s. I know I don't.

Some of the TB12 crap is snake oil. But the pliability and flexibility stuff is not, certainly not for a 40 year guy getting hit by big young men and expecting to get back up again. Brady was a bit extreme (tomatoes cause inflation so no tomatoes during the season), but it's hard to argue with the results.

 

[superjohn]

Straight ahead speed is a component, but I wouldn't necessarily consider it THE lead indication of athleticism.

I don't think you should feel embarrassed about by muscle pliability, hydration, sleep, diet, or anything else that may allow a world class athlete to perform at such a high level well into their 40s. I know I don't.

He's an amazing player with incredible longevity but the TB12 stuff and his personal guru/trainer stuff is snake oil scam stuff. He should be above that nonsense and the FTX nonsense.

Mahomes is so great for many of the same reasons Brady was so great. They're both incredibly smart on the field, incredibly competitive, and they have that thing where they get better when the game is on the line late. Mahomes is incredibly crafty and probably could've been a MLB pitcher but the throwing at all the different angles, switching hands, and picking up yards with his feet is more skill and incredible improvisation than straight up athleticism IMO. Half the QB's in the league are faster, stronger, and can jump higher than him.

 

[Scoe]

UConn’s own John Dorsey knew. Not using hindsight my reaction, on draft day was that Watson was the best qb of that draft and Trubisky over Mahomes was a bit of a head scratcher.

 

[HuskyHawk]

He's an amazing player with incredible longevity but the TB12 stuff and his personal guru/trainer stuff is snake oil scam stuff. He should be above that nonsense and the FTX nonsense.

Mahomes is so great for many of the same reasons Brady was so great. They're both incredibly smart on the field, incredibly competitive, and they have that thing where they get better when the game is on the line late. Mahomes is incredibly crafty and probably could've been a MLB pitcher but the throwing at all the different angles, switching hands, and picking up yards with his feet is more skill and incredible improvisation than straight up athleticism IMO. Half the QB's in the league are faster, stronger, and can jump higher than him.

I agree on Mahomes. He that special something. Montana had it too. Pat has the same 40 time as Mac Jones (who isn't as slow as people think). Brady's 40 time was glacial.

I can't find the video, but last week Brady was talking with Steve Young about QB play and all these athletic plays after the snap. He essentially said that's not good QB play. Those QBs should have seen that the play that was called was wrong given the defense and changed the play. Instead they run the play, everyone is covered and they pull something off with a scramble and throw. You can probably find it with a search.

It was fascinating for me, because I think he's partly right and partly wrong. Obviously, I know way less than him. Brady and Manning were unmatched at pre-snap recognition and adjustment. They were so good at it, that defenses adjusted. Initially it was things like dropping DEs into coverage and sending ILBs to rush. But in the last 5-6 years defense has, like basketball, gone more positionless. These fast 225-235 pound hybrid safety/LBs (Pats alone have 4 such guys) make it much, much harder to make accurate pre-snap reads and adjustments. The D can disguise things much more effectively. So we we've seen the rise of QBs who can adjust to the defense after the snap, and that requires (a) greater mobility to buy time (b) accuracy off platform and (c) arm strength. The arm strength isn't so much for deep throws, as those likely need to be on platform anyway, but for those cross body cross the field throws. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hurts, are all examples. Even Purdy is pretty decent at it. There is still a role for what Tom talked about, no doubt, but I think it takes more than that now.

 

[Husky25]

Some of the TB12 crap is snake oil. But the pliability and flexibility stuff is not, certainly not for a 40 year guy getting hit by big young men and expecting to get back up again. Brady was a bit extreme (tomatoes cause inflation so no tomatoes during the season), but it's hard to argue with the results.

From what I've read, Brady took diet to an extreme, but he was also still a world class athlete at 45 years old (as you say: "Results"). There is no reason for John Q. Football Fan to take dietary restriction that far unless there is some sort of a food sensitivity. The overall holistic approach and physical aspects, on the other hand, have been around and recommended for decades.

He's an amazing player with incredible longevity but the TB12 stuff and his personal guru/trainer stuff is snake oil scam stuff. He should be above that nonsense and the FTX nonsense.

I'm not sure I agree that Brady should be above what kept him at the top of his physical game through his mid 40s, and you shouldn't really be embarrassed by it either...unless you were duped into $200 avocado ice cream or whatever.

FTX is a separate issue, and other than the guy going to jail for fraud, I don't know much about it, but I don't think it was directly associated with TB12. Obvously it was a business venture that went south real quick.