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Is John Scheyer the worst coach in college basketball?

I know he's retired, but in his prime, I'd have matched Jim Boeheim up against any other coach in the country. The model of a great recruiter (consider the challenge of recruiting players to Syracuse, compared to Duke!) and a horrible coach.

Just a reminder: his 1987 Syracuse team included Rony Seikaly (11 years in the NBA), Derrick Coleman (overall #1 pick, rookie of the year, twice All-NBA Third Team, 15 years), and Sherman Douglas (12 years); they lost the championship to Indiana, which featured the less-than-immortal Steve Alford (4 years), Keith Smart (2 GAMES!), and Dean Garrett (6 years).

Boeheim’s Syracuse played the 2-3 really well. There were no holes in that zone and they got their hands on a lot of passes.

I will agree that on offense, it looked like pickup basketball.
 
Is Scheyer a good or great recruiter or is everyone enamored with Duke?
 
I know he's retired, but in his prime, I'd have matched Jim Boeheim up against any other coach in the country. The model of a great recruiter (consider the challenge of recruiting players to Syracuse, compared to Duke!) and a horrible coach.

Just a reminder: his 1987 Syracuse team included Rony Seikaly (11 years in the NBA), Derrick Coleman (overall #1 pick, rookie of the year, twice All-NBA Third Team, 15 years), and Sherman Douglas (12 years); they lost the championship to Indiana, which featured the less-than-immortal Steve Alford (4 years), Keith Smart (2 GAMES!), and Dean Garrett (6 years).
And who was the opposing coach at Indiana?
As I remember it was someone who had a much higher basketball IQ than The Picker
 
Is Scheyer a good or great recruiter or is everyone enamored with Duke?
He’s a great recruiter, he is credited with getting guys like Tatum and Zion (for example) committing to Duke while an assistant
 
He’s a great recruiter, he is credited with getting guys like Tatum and Zion (for example) committing to Duke while an assistant
I don't understand why he's perceived as a great recruiter. Every time I hear him speak he sounds dull and unenthusiastic. He's at Duke. Which is pretty easy to recruit to. He had Coach K and Duke when he recruited those players you mentioned. You and I probably could have landed those players if we were in the same situation.
 
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I don't understand why. Every time I hear him speak he sounds dull and unenthusiastic. He did have Coach K and Duke when he recruited those players. You and I probably could have landed those players if we were in the same situation.
Some 5* guys will go to Duke whether it’s Jon Scheyer or John Stamos at the helm (or in Zion’s case, you get a free house for your parents as the NCAA looks the other way). They’ve had a Top 3-5 recruiting class every year but haven’t won a title in, what, 10 years? They’ll always be very good good simply bc of talent, but the coaches are mostly babysitters for a few months until the draft. Quick look at Duke’s Wiki page and with all of the All-American awards and credentials that many former players have gone on to professionally, you’d think they’d be up near UCLA in terms of titles but they’re nowhere close. I don’t think Scheyer’s a bad coach but you could plug in almost anyone and win 20+ games there esp now that the ACC stinks.
 
You beat me to it. It seems weird to start this thread and ignore a team that had to come back from a 12 point deficit to beat Albany in the first round.
3 of the top 10, including the consensus top player and the best center on the draft. Not a good look for the Duke HC.
 
Not the worst, but not top 10 (Danny, Few, Pitino, Izzo, Pearl, Painter, Golden, Samson, Oats, even Calipari before Scheyer). And this "he's an amazing recruiter" nonsense, he sells the brand.

An amazing recruiter gets top talent to play in a place with no brand. A good coach takes good talent and makes it great, average talent and makes it good.

This is Calhoun
 
I always love it when UConn fans crap on programs that are good every year because they don’t finish strong in the tournament. UConn produces a solid team every few years and they always seem to fall backwards into the Final Four. Making it that far is really hard and only 4 teams get to do it. Very hard to be consistently good year in and year out.
 
I don't understand why he's perceived as a great recruiter. Every time I hear him speak he sounds dull and unenthusiastic. He's at Duke. Which is pretty easy to recruit to. He had Coach K and Duke when he recruited those players you mentioned. You and I probably could have landed those players if we were in the same situation.
I am not saying I disagree with you at all. I’m just saying that there are numerous players that claim he was the reason they chose Duke.
 
I always love it when UConn fans crap on programs that are good every year because they don’t finish strong in the tournament. UConn produces a solid team every few years and they always seem to fall backwards into the Final Four. Making it that far is really hard and only 4 teams get to do it. Very hard to be consistently good year in and year out.
Sure, but it’s a lot easier to be “good every year” and “consistently good year in and year out” when you manage to “fall backwards” into a top 10 recruiting class, every year, year in and year out.

Per 247sports, here’s Duke’s recruiting class ranks:

2025-#1
2024-#1
2023-#2
2022-#1
2021-#6
2020-#3
2019-#3
2018-#1
2017-#1
2016-#1

Over the same period, UConn had four top 10 classes.

So, yeah, given our two championships and Duke’s goose egg in the past ten years, I’m not ready to stop “crapping” on Duke’s NCAA results.
 

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