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Is Big East Expansion complacency costs its teams NCAA bids?

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tzznandrew said:
Saint Louis could make sense to better balance East-West. But my strong preference would be to keep it as it is rather than add anyone.

Creighton
Saint Louis
Marquette
DePaul
Xavier
Butler

PC
UConn
Seton Hall
St. John's
Villanova
Georgetown
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St Louis is not even remotely close to being a strong enough program to ruin the round robin for. They have 10 all time NCAA appearances. One of the silliest ideas we've had on here.
 
My mistake on UAB ha; im obsessed with CR
& i saw what they did last season before leaving cusa. They're a good program rn not great.

Dayton, vcu, Loyola are decent adds?
Drake? Des moines market? idk.

Gonzaga would have too much control then leave for the big 12. I wish cuse ND & Duke joined seriously
 
No matter how you analyze it, each BE school has 10 or 11 games OOC to build their resume. You can go 4 cupcakes, 3 moderate and 4 tough opponents, you can alternate levels, play all cupcakes early and so on. The only constant is you have to get some wins against some good folks, your fate is in your hands. If you don’t then you have to prove it in Conference. If you don’t you are at the mercy of the Conf tourney. If you don’t, it’s bubble time.

Just win baby.
 
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The Big East needs to schedule Inter Conference Out of Conference Games with the B12 and Big Ten. Why not include the SEC as well.
 
WrenchFan69 said:
St Louis is not even remotely close to being a strong enough program to ruin the round robin for. They have 10 all time NCAA appearances. One of the silliest ideas we've had on here.
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1. I said I'd pick no one.
2. If we're picking someone based on profile, it's catholic school in a major city.
3. They offer a different market than some of the other suggestions (St. Joe's, Dayton)
4. All the suggestions suck, which is why we shouldn't expand. Saint Louis at least offers something new within our footprint.
 
My big takeaway from the selection is the BE conference is in trouble. Its clear Danny is talking up the conference as much as he can the past 2 years. But, no one is listening. The perception of the BE of not having depth, is just a mid-Major, etc. will hurt with recruiting in this new NIL age. UConn literally trying to save the Conference in this "mini-Dynasty" its currently in.
 
Scottobot said:
Big East just needs to give DePaul a mandate. You have 3 years to improve you NET/kenpom, rank to be worthy of conference or your out… and then try to get Syracuse to come back and hope Syracuse can get back to what they were.
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Relegate DePaul!
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
The B1G benefits from the fact that NCAA headquarters is in their footprint, the historical ancestry of basketball is in their footprint, so there's a lot of unearned benefit of the doubt when it comes to their programs.

They're also 0 for the last 23 championships. They claim to be a top 2 conference, but there are 5 programs that have won multiple championships in that span.
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The historical ancestry of basketball is in their footprint?
 
Does anyone actually have the info on Big East bids every year of the tourny?

The overreactions here are pretty friggin' crazy.
 
IndyLives said:
My big takeaway from the selection is the BE conference is in trouble. Its clear Danny is talking up the conference as much as he can the past 2 years. But, no one is listening. The perception of the BE of not having depth, is just a mid-Major, etc. will hurt with recruiting in this new NIL age. UConn literally trying to save the Conference in this "mini-Dynasty" its currently in.
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The schools brought into the New Big East for 2013 were all former mid-major headliners, so naturally the conference now has a mid-major stank to it.
 
Scottobot said:
Big East just needs to give DePaul a mandate. You have 3 years to improve you NET/kenpom, rank to be worthy of conference or your out… and then try to get Syracuse to come back and hope Syracuse can get back to what they were.
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I would also like to see Pitt come back…for the main purpose to renew some of the old rivalries
 
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This thread is useless. The Big East got screwed because they wanted to screw the Big East.
 
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Add Gonzaga and go to 22 league games. The NCAA tournament is likely expanding to 76 soon so the league should get 6-7 bids most years.
 
superjohn said:
Does anyone actually have the info on Big East bids every year of the tourny?

The overreactions here are pretty friggin' crazy.
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Not really. Only twice has a BE team with 20 wins on Selection Sunday missed the field since 13/14. Three missed it alone this year. This is going to result in an expanded tournament.
 
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shizzle787 said:
Not really. Only twice has a BE team with 20 wins on Selection Sunday missed the field since 13/14. Three missed it alone this year. This is going to result in an expanded tournament.
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RIP Shizzle-ology. As I told you weeks ago, when 4 (or for Providence 5) wins are DePaul/GTown sub 200 teams, a raw win count isn't a good metric.
 
bendm said:
nova would never allow another pennsyvania team nvermind another philly team
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Never? Nova welcomed Temple into the oBE.

I would not favor Joes though.

Expansion for expansion’s sake doesn’t help.
 
tzznandrew said:
1. I said I'd pick no one.
2. If we're picking someone based on profile, it's catholic school in a major city.
3. They offer a different market than some of the other suggestions (St. Joe's, Dayton)
4. All the suggestions suck, which is why we shouldn't expand. Saint Louis at least offers something new within our footprint.
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St Louis is the obvious choice for many of the reasons you stated above, plus they’ve already been in the same league with almost all of the teams around them in the BE already at some point or another in previous conference iterations

People just don’t like to hear it because they’re clearly not in any way a peer institution to UConn. But none of the teams in this league (urban, private religiously affiliated schools) are institutional peers to us as a large, land grant, public agricultural flagship state U. Which is why they then suggest things like “maybe we’ll take Pitt and Syracuse!” When the reality is that will never, ever happen
 
Expansion is not saving the Big East because none of the additions bring bids with them. The billikens make the NCAA how often? Gonzaga is a pipe dream. Temple is like a lot of other programs where they brought bids when the year was 1998. I may stick on the football side but i'm a sports fan and numbers guy. Reality is that once G'town and St. Johns went into the shit pile the entire league was in a world of hurt. You should be ecstatic that Creighton has built its prestige and that Marquette has held their own. Villanova's on a down year, that will happen. DePaul? 1998 syndrome. Butler? Do they have long term proof?

Now, don't get me wrong, SLU would be kind of nice but the Big East is more like half of the big east and half of the prestige of the old A10. Maybe if you can awaken G'town and they can throw around some NIL money maybe something happens.
 
Zissou said:
Never? Nova welcomed Temple into the oBE.

I would not favor Joes though.

Expansion for expansion’s sake doesn’t help.
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Helps me get to see the Huskies two more times per year.

Sign ‘em up!!
 
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