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Interesting tidbit about #1 ranked high school recruits

iri10 said:
Also interesting: for all that, one of those three teams has only won the national championship twice in that time period. UConn this year, Stanford 2021. Clearly, a no. 1 recruit will take you far, but not all the way.
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Huh???? Are you confusing Southern Cal with South Carolina?
 
I am impressed with what Coach Gottlieb has done at USC in 4 years. She has resurrected a program that was on the back burner for a long time. But seeing that stat of UConn, Stanford, and USC being land #1 recruits is pretty impressive considering how folks thought that Coach Geno had lost his recruiting touch.
 
iri10 said:
Also interesting: for all that, one of those three teams has only won the national championship twice in that time period. UConn this year, Stanford 2021. Clearly, a no. 1 recruit will take you far, but not all the way.
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To be fair, USC technically has three #1 recruits, but only Juju Watkins has suited up and she missed most of the tournament last year, meaning they've effectively only had 1 season with a #1 recruit (and she was a freshman).

If you look at #1 recruits who've played a full 4 years, usually they have won a title during their career:
2021-Fudd (UCONN)
2020-Bueckers (UCONN)
2019-Jones (Stanford)
2018-Williams (UCONN)
2017-Walker (UCONN)
2016-Lauren Cox (Baylor)
2015-Katie Lou Samuelson (UCONN)
2014-A'ja Wilson (South Carolina
2013-Mercedes Russell (Tennessee)
2012-Breanna Stewart (UCONN)
2011-Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis (UCONN)
2010-Chiney Ogwumike (Stanford)
2009-Brittney Griner (Baylor
 
With Tara retired and Stanford relegated to cross country trips to play various ACC schools, I would be greatly surprised if the Cardinal land another #1 recruit anytime in the near future.
 
oldude said:
With Tara retired and Stanford relegated to cross country trips to play various ACC schools, I would be greatly surprised if the Cardinal land another #1 recruit anytime in the near future.
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I wonder. Lara Somfai seems practically equivalent to a #1 recruit.
 
Bone Dog said:
I wonder. Lara Somfai seems practically equivalent to a #1 recruit.
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IMO possibly top10 level but not close to a #1. Coming out of HS at the same size, she’s not as good or impactful as Iriafen was and Iriafen was a #19 in 2021. I thought Iriafen was way underrated since DeBerry was #15 in that class (gulp). Another reason why I don’t buy these HS rankings. But Iriafen was a superior player at that point compared to what Somfai is now.
 
BobbyJ said:
Another reason why I don’t buy these HS rankings.
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oldude said:
#12 on Hoopgurlz
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This is the point in question. Whose rankings determine what teams are locked out of top recruits? Joyce Edwards was ranked #1 for most of the time HG tracked her class and was edged by Sarah Strong in the last few months. Personally, I think Sarah’s freshman season showed why she deserved to be #1 in high school. But Joyce is damn good too and I can see folks making a case for her. So, maybe SC did get a #1 recruit last season, depending on your point of view.
 
Bone Dog said:
This is the point in question. Whose rankings determine what teams are locked out of top recruits? Joyce Edwards was ranked #1 for most of the time HG tracked her class and was edged by Sarah Strong in the last few months. Personally, I think Sarah’s freshman season showed why she deserved to be #1 in high school. But Joyce is damn good too and I can see folks making a case for her. So, maybe SC did get a #1 recruit last season, depending on your point of view.
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The proof is in the pudding. Dawn certainly agreed with your argument, repeatedly making the case for Edwards as NFOY up until the two games when her Gamecocks were routed by Sarah and the Huskies. Edwards wasn’t bad, but after the 2 games against UConn, there was little doubt who the #1 freshman in the country was.
 
Bone Dog said:
This is the point in question. Whose rankings determine what teams are locked out of top recruits? Joyce Edwards was ranked #1 for most of the time HG tracked her class and was edged by Sarah Strong in the last few months. Personally, I think Sarah’s freshman season showed why she deserved to be #1 in high school. But Joyce is damn good too and I can see folks making a case for her. So, maybe SC did get a #1 recruit last season, depending on your point of view.
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No rankings really determine this since they're nothing but personal opinions of the websites doing them and I doubt that there's any conscious effort to exclude any teams. A point to consider is that these rankings are only important to fans, the player's egos, and to sell subscriptions to the websites for "inside info". Other than schools with small recruiting budgets that can't get out to see players in person, D3, D2, etc., the listings aren't really very useful to coaches, especially top 30 level D1 programs. Those coaches do their own evaluations and between their staffs and trusted contacts, have all the info they need starting as early as Jr. High. They track a kid's progress themselves, particularly during the summer AAU/ Nike, UA, and Adidas circuits. That's why there's no need to take the rankings too seriously, they're just the opinions of a bunch of enterprising fans.
 
BobbyJ said:
No rankings really determine this since they're nothing but personal opinions of the websites doing them and I doubt that there's any conscious effort to exclude any teams. A point to consider is that these rankings are only important to fans, the player's egos, and to sell subscriptions to the websites for "inside info". Other than schools with small recruiting budgets that can't get out to see players in person, D3, D2, etc., the listings aren't really very useful to coaches, especially top 30 level D1 programs. Those coaches do their own evaluations and between their staffs and trusted contacts, have all the info they need starting as early as Jr. High. They track a kid's progress themselves, particularly during the summer AAU/ Nike, UA, and Adidas circuits. That's why there's no need to take the rankings too seriously, they're just the opinions of a bunch of enterprising fans.
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Rankings usually do not take into account effort, attitude on the court, whether or not she is a team player or team leader, or how she reacts to adversity. No off the court considerations are considered either (i.e.helicopter parent, disciplinary issues etc)
 
iri10 said:
Perhaps a wording issue on my part? The set of three teams - UConn, Stanford, USC [Southern Cal] - has collectively won two national championships over that extended time period.
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You are supposed to use the "$" in Southern Cal: U$C; South Carolina is the all CAPS: USC without the dollar signs, as in how much it costs to live in the surrounding area.

NIL could be changing which University will end up with the "$" for a different reason.
 
BobbyJ said:
No rankings really determine this since they're nothing but personal opinions of the websites doing them and I doubt that there's any conscious effort to exclude any teams. A point to consider is that these rankings are only important to fans, the player's egos, and to sell subscriptions to the websites for "inside info". Other than schools with small recruiting budgets that can't get out to see players in person, D3, D2, etc., the listings aren't really very useful to coaches, especially top 30 level D1 programs. Those coaches do their own evaluations and between their staffs and trusted contacts, have all the info they need starting as early as Jr. High. They track a kid's progress themselves, particularly during the summer AAU/ Nike, UA, and Adidas circuits. That's why there's no need to take the rankings too seriously, they're just the opinions of a bunch of enterprising fans.
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There is also a “size bias” in ranking HS girls basketball players. You suggest that Amari DeBerry was overrated at #15. I agree. But at 6’5”, big and strong, with some decent basketball skills, she absolutely dominated Western NY HS basketball. I guess we’ll see how good Somfai is at the next level.
 
JellyBean said:
I am impressed with what Coach Gottlieb has done at USC in 4 years. She has resurrected a program that was on the back burner for a long time. But seeing that stat of UConn, Stanford, and USC being land #1 recruits is pretty impressive considering how folks thought that Coach Geno had lost his recruiting touch.
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I think a huge component helping USC land No1 recruits is their NIL package. Very respectfully, I don't think USC landing No1 recruits has a whole lot to do with Coach Gottlieb. She is a good coach but not a Geno, Dawn, or Kim type.of Coach. No yet at least. I wholeheartedly believe 10000% if Juju were playing in that elite 8 game, it would of made no difference in the outcome of the game, Uconn would of still won that match, even though without Juju, it was a very close game. Im no expert but Sanyah would of been better off with UCLA because they need another dynamic scorer. Sienna, Lauren, and Sanyah would of been a real life problem if they played on the same team. But time will tell. There were a lot fo transfers this year, so who knows where these young lady might be playing for in the next couple of years.
 
Speaking of size bias, my only reason for thinking Somfai may have been underrated comes from the FIBA games a year ago. The Chinese team (PRC not ROC) featured a 7+ foot post who totally dominated. They rolled over everyone, merely by throwing lobs into their big girl who was essentially unstoppable, until they met Australia in the finals. It was Somfai who led the upset against a much taller player and it was very impressive.

I admit this isn't sufficient evidence to anoint her the top of the class. But it was pretty dazzling.
 
Bone Dog said:
Speaking of size bias, my only reason for thinking Somfai may have been underrated comes from the FIBA games a year ago. The Chinese team (PRC not ROC) featured a 7+ foot post who totally dominated. They rolled over everyone, merely by throwing lobs into their big girl who was essentially unstoppable, until they met Australia in the finals. It was Somfai who led the upset against a much taller player and it was very impressive.

I admit this isn't sufficient evidence to anoint her the top of the class. But it was pretty dazzling.
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I agree, Somfai is a mobile forward. She's going to do great is a Stanford team thats rebuilding. I love her college choice though. She could of gone easily to USC or UCLA. If anything, Stanford might surprise a lot of people next year, especially in their conference.
 
oldude said:
There is also a “size bias” in ranking HS girls basketball players. You suggest that Amari DeBerry was overrated at #15. I agree. But at 6’5”, big and strong, with some decent basketball skills, she absolutely dominated Western NY HS basketball. I guess we’ll see how good Somfai is at the next level.
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Big but not strong. And did you watch any of her HS videos and see what that Western NY HS BB looked like? 😉
 
Bone Dog said:
Speaking of size bias, my only reason for thinking Somfai may have been underrated comes from the FIBA games a year ago. The Chinese team (PRC not ROC) featured a 7+ foot post who totally dominated. They rolled over everyone, merely by throwing lobs into their big girl who was essentially unstoppable, until they met Australia in the finals. It was Somfai who led the upset against a much taller player and it was very impressive.

I admit this isn't sufficient evidence to anoint her the top of the class. But it was pretty dazzling.
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Somfai may well be as good as advertised. But I think if you go back and review the Hoopgurlz top 25 players from year to year, you’ll find more Bigs that underperform in college than guards & wings. Bigs get rated on potential, often as a “project.” How often have you ever heard a guard or wing referred to as a “project?”
 
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